Oh Dear. Ricky Hatton

Pigeonho said:
ono said:
You do realise that both Mayweather and Pacquiao are probably the two finest fighters of the last 15 years don't you? Hatton was great when he was kept away from slick fighters who can throw combinations. Was never able to deal with it, and Warren did a great job of keeping him away from such opponents.

Hatton never stood a chance against either fighter, regardless of what he was putting into his body.

-- Sun Sep 12, 2010 12:22 am --


Lol, when did he drop Mayweather?
So why bother then? Why bother competing if its clear you'll lose?
Probably a nice mixture of delusion and money. I was replying to your comment on him being found out. He only ever lost to two of the greatest fighters of the last 15 or so years. No shame in that. He beat some pretty mediocre champions, and one terrible one (Maussa) and his two best wins came against Castillo and Tszyu who were both at the tail ends of their careers. He is what he is/was. A good fighter who went a lot further than his skill set probably should have let him.

The win over Tszyu was very good though. Granted Tszyu was getting on, but he was coming off a very impressive performance against Sharmba Mitchell.
 
Fat Chance said:
It's all about opinions of course and obviously you don't like the lad...but none of the world boxing press or indeed any professionals murmoured that Tzu was finished before he met Hatton (though a good few did post meeting him) and nobody had done to Tzu what Hatton did to give indicators that he may be susceptable to a good hideing. I know well enough what Hatton is in a square ring, he did pull-up that night, if he did'nt have something about him it could easilly have gone the wrong way. Just painting a more factual scene to that fight, it was hardly a case of sparking drunks out.
I had tickets but sold them. I acquired them through a mate at work but simply couldn't motivate myself for the fight. In hindsight the actual fight was awesome, but I had the pleasure of watching it on tele, then the DVD and its clear after the 7th round Tzu was absolutely showing his age. Another poster said a few posts back that Warren did well by avoiding the certain fighters.... What?!!! Thats like us avoiding united and Chelsea so we win the league!
 
Pigeonho said:
Fat Chance said:
It's all about opinions of course and obviously you don't like the lad...but none of the world boxing press or indeed any professionals murmoured that Tzu was finished before he met Hatton (though a good few did post meeting him) and nobody had done to Tzu what Hatton did to give indicators that he may be susceptable to a good hideing. I know well enough what Hatton is in a square ring, he did pull-up that night, if he did'nt have something about him it could easilly have gone the wrong way. Just painting a more factual scene to that fight, it was hardly a case of sparking drunks out.
I had tickets but sold them. I acquired them through a mate at work but simply couldn't motivate myself for the fight. In hindsight the actual fight was awesome, but I had the pleasure of watching it on tele, then the DVD and its clear after the 7th round Tzu was absolutely showing his age. Another poster said a few posts back that Warren did well by avoiding the certain fighters.... What?!!! Thats like us avoiding united and Chelsea so we win the league!
and Blackburn n Sunderland etc etc
 
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Pigeonho said:
Fat Chance said:
It's all about opinions of course and obviously you don't like the lad...but none of the world boxing press or indeed any professionals murmoured that Tzu was finished before he met Hatton (though a good few did post meeting him) and nobody had done to Tzu what Hatton did to give indicators that he may be susceptable to a good hideing. I know well enough what Hatton is in a square ring, he did pull-up that night, if he did'nt have something about him it could easilly have gone the wrong way. Just painting a more factual scene to that fight, it was hardly a case of sparking drunks out.
I had tickets but sold them. I acquired them through a mate at work but simply couldn't motivate myself for the fight. In hindsight the actual fight was awesome, but I had the pleasure of watching it on tele, then the DVD and its clear after the 7th round Tzu was absolutely showing his age. Another poster said a few posts back that Warren did well by avoiding the certain fighters.... What?!!! Thats like us avoiding united and Chelsea so we win the league!
Yeah but you have to understand that every good promoter does that. It happens to every fighter until they reach a certain point. Tyson was fed a load of cannon fodder. A mixture of club fighters/previously decent fighters who were on the slide/average fighters with impressive looking records (high wins/low losses).

There's too much money to be lost from your bread winner losing his first fight. Hatton was Warren's cash cow. He could sell out the MEN fighting 38 year old Vince Phillips. As soon as Hatton started dictating his own opponent, he almost tripped himself up. He fought an American named Luis Collazo. A welterweight who was light-punching, but was a name deemed viable enough for HBO. Hatton took the fight, and spent the entire 12th round on the verge of being knocked out. He managed to win on points - by the odd round, but in reality he was battered.

I actually had Hatton winning it by 1 round, but in truth, he was never going to lose on points. He had too much appeal. HBO could make an awful lot of money off him, and the Casino's in Las Vegas will have been smacking their lips at the thought of 20,000 Brits coming over to watch him. He'd have had to have been knocked out or very clearly beaten to stand any chance of losing.

And that's the thing with Boxing. If you're marketable, chances are, you'll be a star. I read an interview with Lou DiBella (A US promoter) and he was talking about when Paulie Malignaggi walked into his office. DiBella thought he was a half decent fighter, but nothing special, but he knew he was very, very marketable. Few years on, he's been in with Cotto, Hatton, Khan and Juan Diaz and he's probably bagged himself $3 or $4m.

Same things happening with Khan. Same thing happening with every other prospect in the sport. It's about taking calculated risks. Mayweather has never been in the ring with somebody he wasn't expected to beat (granted, it would be hard considering he's probably the best fighter in the sport - but he hasn't always been). Tszyu was the only guy Hatton had fought (at the time) where Hatton would be the underdog. The likes of Phillips, Tackie, Pendleton, Magee etc might be billed as great fights at a sell out MEN, but the result is a foregone conclusion unless something completely unexpected happens.

And that's what boxing is. In a way it's a con. But in another way, it's a good thing. A talented and marketable fighter will always be put in with the type of opponent who will make him look good. Right up until they reach a certain level and superfights can be made (Hatton - Mayweather, Hatton - Pacquiao, Mayweather De La Hoya, Mayweather - Pacquiao). The chance of losing is much higher, but the promoter has already done his job because his fighter is a star and he's earned him his money.

It'll be interesting to see what Warren does with next lot, as i don't see any of DeGale, Gavin, Cleverley etc having that star appeal that Hatton, Calzaghe and even Khan have.
 
druggie and grannie shagger, now that is immoral and should be a crime lol

you can see them tomorrow drying each others tears then sniffing coke montana style off £1000 pros
 
ono said:
Pigeonho said:
I had tickets but sold them. I acquired them through a mate at work but simply couldn't motivate myself for the fight. In hindsight the actual fight was awesome, but I had the pleasure of watching it on tele, then the DVD and its clear after the 7th round Tzu was absolutely showing his age. Another poster said a few posts back that Warren did well by avoiding the certain fighters.... What?!!! Thats like us avoiding united and Chelsea so we win the league!
Yeah but you have to understand that every good promoter does that. It happens to every fighter until they reach a certain point. Tyson was fed a load of cannon fodder. A mixture of club fighters/previously decent fighters who were on the slide/average fighters with impressive looking records (high wins/low losses).

There's too much money to be lost from your bread winner losing his first fight. Hatton was Warren's cash cow. He could sell out the MEN fighting 38 year old Vince Phillips. As soon as Hatton started dictating his own opponent, he almost tripped himself up. He fought an American named Luis Collazo. A welterweight who was light-punching, but was a name deemed viable enough for HBO. Hatton took the fight, and spent the entire 12th round on the verge of being knocked out. He managed to win on points - by the odd round, but in reality he was battered.

I actually had Hatton winning it by 1 round, but in truth, he was never going to lose on points. He had too much appeal. HBO could make an awful lot of money off him, and the Casino's in Las Vegas will have been smacking their lips at the thought of 20,000 Brits coming over to watch him. He'd have had to have been knocked out or very clearly beaten to stand any chance of losing.

And that's the thing with Boxing. If you're marketable, chances are, you'll be a star. I read an interview with Lou DiBella (A US promoter) and he was talking about when Paulie Malignaggi walked into his office. DiBella thought he was a half decent fighter, but nothing special, but he knew he was very, very marketable. Few years on, he's been in with Cotto, Hatton, Khan and Juan Diaz and he's probably bagged himself $3 or $4m.

Same things happening with Khan. Same thing happening with every other prospect in the sport. It's about taking calculated risks. Mayweather has never been in the ring with somebody he wasn't expected to beat (granted, it would be hard considering he's probably the best fighter in the sport - but he hasn't always been). Tszyu was the only guy Hatton had fought (at the time) where Hatton would be the underdog. The likes of Phillips, Tackie, Pendleton, Magee etc might be billed as great fights at a sell out MEN, but the result is a foregone conclusion unless something completely unexpected happens.

And that's what boxing is. In a way it's a con. But in another way, it's a good thing. A talented and marketable fighter will always be put in with the type of opponent who will make him look good. Right up until they reach a certain level and superfights can be made (Hatton - Mayweather, Hatton - Pacquiao, Mayweather De La Hoya, Mayweather - Pacquiao). The chance of losing is much higher, but the promoter has already done his job because his fighter is a star and he's earned him his money.

It'll be interesting to see what Warren does with next lot, as i don't see any of DeGale, Gavin, Cleverley etc having that star appeal that Hatton, Calzaghe and even Khan have.
I bow to you're boxing knowledge, and thats a genuine compliment too. I know a bit, or enough to get by in other words, but my opinion at the time of the fight, whist watching it, was that the younger fighter's fitness shone through, rather than his talent. The guile came with that fitness advantage in my view, not a better show of talent. I'll probably be sounding like i'm running out of arguements now, and maybe thats correct because the simple truth is I just don't like Hatton and never have done. This story about the coke just amplifies that distaste as I add it onto the bloated, alcohol riddles face he has mid-fights.
 
You'll have to pardon me Ono...i was remembering Hatton spinning Mayweather early a little too favourably, i thought he had touched down...but no, your very correct.
 

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