Opposition view: Everton

[alblue]

haha fair point.

*doffs cap*

haha you must be one of the decent ones ;)

 

[Marvin]

What some opposition fans, chairmen, directors (and a select few journalists who are fans of other clubs) don't like is they and their clubs were weighed in the balance and found wanting despite their successes and progress in all competitions when compared to City's over the same time-frame.

There were a number of reasons why his highness settled on City and none other: a significant contributory factor was the fans as fans.

A comparative analysis of the larger and mid-sized clubs was undertaken, looking at years post 1945. Decade-on-decade failure was aggregated and judged minor if a club merely did not win a major honour but finished competitions as quarter-finalists or better, or top six in the league, more often than not. Failure was judged major if the ends were less than this. Failure was judged destabilizing if cup competitions invariably terminated in the first rounds and relegation was a recurring fact or threat.

Note was taken of the ebbs and flows of attendance across all clubs under review.

In City's case, proximity to "Manchester" United was discussed.

The result was a considered judgment that, given all the facts and circumstances, no other club has (past), and few could expect (future), to maintain a level or intensity of support comparable with Manchester City given her pattern of chronic and acute destabilizing failure. Such was the nature of the underlying weakness caused by decades of failure and maladministration, that had his highness not bought the club, MCFC would have entered administration.

I doubt whether the fans of Aston Villa, Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur etc are still in the mood to patronize Manchester City fans as good losers, laughing stocks, only winning cups for cock-ups. It ought to be evident to them that whilst City fans were groaning under the weight of failure, those same City fans by their constancy, were actually helping to save their club even though at the time they did not know it.

As for the fans of the clubs above mentioned, what price your mockery now? Have your jibes turned to ashes in your throats yet?

Bitter, proud, arrogant hypocrites who writhe in agony to see another enjoy good fortune.

Post of the season already and now post of the week, you're on a roll my friend.

That's a decent piece of writing and there's probably and element of truth in there - there's no doubt that City have a loyal fanbase and the potential as a big City club to expand that (hence averaging 15-20,000 more now than you did 10 years ago). It could also be argued that it's sanctimonous one dimensional drivvle.

Evertons average attendances since the war have been higher than Citys in more years than they haven't - FACT as Roffa would say. You could also argue 'what is decline'? In the years when City were getting relagated and promoted every year there was at least excitement. In that same period we were getting walloped most weeks. playing dismal football, finishing 14th each year, paying twice as much for tickets and still avergaing 37-38 thousand - I'd guess about 10 thousand more than City were getting in the lower leagues.

Whatever the reasons. I wish your highness would throw a few bob our way.

-- Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:09 pm --

Just a thought - but before you slag someone off for being 'thick' and having a 'speech impediment', it would probably be worth looking at your grammar.

As, well, you don't wanto to come over as someone who'd thick or has a speach impediment do you?

As I say, enjoy the match lid.

One of my favourite memories as a City fan was the opening day of the 98-99 season when we played Blackpool at Maine Rd. We'd just been relegated that Summer to the old Div 3 and had sold the fans favourite player in Kinkladze. United went on to win the treble that season, and there was every reason for City fans to pack it all in and give up. But a 32,000 sell out turned up that day, and we knew we were still alive and kicking, and it's a big part of what makes MCFC a special club.

And yes every club has its folklore. It's moments when an Adrian Heath goal at the Manor Ground sets off a then unimaginable sequence of events, and it's makes the fabric of football so much better. Better to climb Everest than a stinking slag heap.

 

[londonbasedblue]

Always like and admired football clubs like Everton. A very similar football club to our own until recently. Money seems to have taken an awful lot of respect out of the game for a lot of people. Football clubs like Everton are in serious trouble financially at the moment and i think the Prem league will be a poorer place without them if their financial problems mean they lose their Prem status, or even go out of business. Man City could easily have been in exactly the same position and i think it's time some of you remember that. Short memories or not old enough.

That said, i know they have a incredible record against us, but this season we are different and have far more options going forward. They are pretty woeful going forward and i don't see them being much of a threat tmrw.

I'm going for a 3-0 or 3-1 home win !

Its got nothing to do with short memories fella,what gets up mine and other fans noses is they are trying to justify it happening to them as being ok because in there eyes they deem themselves more worthy of us to be invested in.The truth of the matter is they have both spent above there means to stay in this league and done nothing of note for spending it.

City fans havent thrown any of this in other clubs fans faces it is they who have turned on us.

Are you talking about the minority of Everton fans, those specifically found on 1 or 2 internet forums or the Everton fans in general? There is a big difference. If you read the article this thread was created for, you will see a bunch of pretty honest and decent football supporters (note i said football supporters, not Everton supporters).

As far as i am concerned, the majority of every football clubs supporters are decent and honset people. Every football club has idiots who the majority of fans would not like to be associated with. It's fact. It's just the idiots shout the loudest and demand the most attention and 'we' base our opinions on a clubs supporters on this minority. It's rather farcical.

I enjoy football rivalries, they are needed to make the game what it is. But i have never used any derogatory term to refer to Manchester Utd. Why would i, two of my closest friends, friends i've had for 40 years are Man Utd fans. They have always shown me the same respect. I also don't put my friends in the same category as those Man Utd idiots who sung the disgusting songs at the Leeds Utd game the other night.

I think in football, a clubs entire support base can be defined by others on the actions and views of a minority. Which i think is ridiculous

 

[Marvin]

Always like and admired football clubs like Everton. A very similar football club to our own until recently. Money seems to have taken an awful lot of respect out of the game for a lot of people. Football clubs like Everton are in serious trouble financially at the moment and i think the Prem league will be a poorer place without them if their financial problems mean they lose their Prem status, or even go out of business. Man City could easily have been in exactly the same position and i think it's time some of you remember that. Short memories or not old enough.

That said, i know they have a incredible record against us, but this season we are different and have far more options going forward. They are pretty woeful going forward and i don't see them being much of a threat tmrw.

I'm going for a 3-0 or 3-1 home win !

Its got nothing to do with short memories fella,what gets up mine and other fans noses is they are trying to justify it happening to them as being ok because in there eyes they deem themselves more worthy of us to be invested in.The truth of the matter is they have both spent above there means to stay in this league and done nothing of note for spending it.

City fans havent thrown any of this in other clubs fans faces it is they who have turned on us.

Are you talking about the minority of Everton fans, those specifically found on 1 or 2 internet forums or the Everton fans in general? There is a big difference. If you read the article this thread was created for, you will see a bunch of pretty honest and decent football supporters (note i said football supporters, not Everton supporters).

As far as i am concerned, the majority of every football clubs supporters are decent and honset people. Every football club has idiots who the majority of fans would not like to be associated with. It's fact. It's just the idiots shout the loudest and demand the most attention and 'we' base our opinions on a clubs supporters on this minority. It's rather farcical.

I enjoy football rivalries, they are needed to make the game what it is. But i have never used any derogatory term to refer to Manchester Utd. Why would i, two of my closest friends, friends i've had for 40 years are Man Utd fans. They have always shown me the same respect. I also don't put my friends in the same category as those Man Utd idiots who sung the disgusting songs at the Leeds Utd game the other night.

I think in football, a clubs entire support base can be defined by others on the actions and views of a minority. Which i think is ridiculous

There's an article by Andy Mitten in the MEN today, not online yet, which is called "Two Wrongs don't make a right, reds".

It refers to the Istanbul chants by Utd fans at Elland Rd and reminds the Utd fans of their time in Istanbul where many Utd fans were attacked when they played Galatassaray and then deported. Basically he takes his own fans to task and it basically proves the point you made about every club having decent supporters and idiots.

 

[Mooncat]

Marvin - couldn't have said it better myself.

The good days are only good, because you remember the bad ones so much.

 

[flb]

What some opposition fans, chairmen, directors (and a select few journalists who are fans of other clubs) don't like is they and their clubs were weighed in the balance and found wanting despite their successes and progress in all competitions when compared to City's over the same time-frame.

There were a number of reasons why his highness settled on City and none other: a significant contributory factor was the fans as fans.

A comparative analysis of the larger and mid-sized clubs was undertaken, looking at years post 1945. Decade-on-decade failure was aggregated and judged minor if a club merely did not win a major honour but finished competitions as quarter-finalists or better, or top six in the league, more often than not. Failure was judged major if the ends were less than this. Failure was judged destabilizing if cup competitions invariably terminated in the first rounds and relegation was a recurring fact or threat.

Note was taken of the ebbs and flows of attendance across all clubs under review.

In City's case, proximity to "Manchester" United was discussed.

The result was a considered judgment that, given all the facts and circumstances, no other club has (past), and few could expect (future), to maintain a level or intensity of support comparable with Manchester City given her pattern of chronic and acute destabilizing failure. Such was the nature of the underlying weakness caused by decades of failure and maladministration, that had his highness not bought the club, MCFC would have entered administration.

I doubt whether the fans of Aston Villa, Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur etc are still in the mood to patronize Manchester City fans as good losers, laughing stocks, only winning cups for cock-ups. It ought to be evident to them that whilst City fans were groaning under the weight of failure, those same City fans by their constancy, were actually helping to save their club even though at the time they did not know it.

As for the fans of the clubs above mentioned, what price your mockery now? Have your jibes turned to ashes in your throats yet?

Bitter, proud, arrogant hypocrites who writhe in agony to see another enjoy good fortune.

Post of the season already and now post of the week, you're on a roll my friend.

That's a decent piece of writing and there's probably and element of truth in there - there's no doubt that City have a loyal fanbase and the potential as a big City club to expand that (hence averaging 15-20,000 more now than you did 10 years ago). It could also be argued that it's sanctimonous one dimensional drivvle.

Evertons average attendances since the war have been higher than Citys in more years than they haven't - FACT as Roffa would say. You could also argue 'what is decline'? In the years when City were getting relagated and promoted every year there was at least excitement. In that same period we were getting walloped most weeks. playing dismal football, finishing 14th each year, paying twice as much for tickets and still avergaing 37-38 thousand - I'd guess about 10 thousand more than City were getting in the lower leagues.

Whatever the reasons. I wish your highness would throw a few bob our way.

-- Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:09 pm --

Just a thought - but before you slag someone off for being 'thick' and having a 'speech impediment', it would probably be worth looking at your grammar.

As, well, you don't wanto to come over as someone who'd thick or has a speach impediment do you?

As I say, enjoy the match lid.

Evertons average attendance since the inception of the premiership years is 32300
MCFC average atendance in the same years even with a drop into the third tier is 35300

Everton since the start of the premiership have never even been close to maximum capacity

MCFC have consistantly approached upwards of 95% attendances throughout the same period.


The growth potential of MCFC is far greater than Everton FC,our attendances grew by upwards of 10,000 when we left maine road for eastlands even with decades of being trophyless.

 

[manchesterlalala]

What some opposition fans, chairmen, directors (and a select few journalists who are fans of other clubs) don't like is they and their clubs were weighed in the balance and found wanting despite their successes and progress in all competitions when compared to City's over the same time-frame.

There were a number of reasons why his highness settled on City and none other: a significant contributory factor was the fans as fans.

A comparative analysis of the larger and mid-sized clubs was undertaken, looking at years post 1945. Decade-on-decade failure was aggregated and judged minor if a club merely did not win a major honour but finished competitions as quarter-finalists or better, or top six in the league, more often than not. Failure was judged major if the ends were less than this. Failure was judged destabilizing if cup competitions invariably terminated in the first rounds and relegation was a recurring fact or threat.

Note was taken of the ebbs and flows of attendance across all clubs under review.

In City's case, proximity to "Manchester" United was discussed.

The result was a considered judgment that, given all the facts and circumstances, no other club has (past), and few could expect (future), to maintain a level or intensity of support comparable with Manchester City given her pattern of chronic and acute destabilizing failure. Such was the nature of the underlying weakness caused by decades of failure and maladministration, that had his highness not bought the club, MCFC would have entered administration.

I doubt whether the fans of Aston Villa, Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur etc are still in the mood to patronize Manchester City fans as good losers, laughing stocks, only winning cups for cock-ups. It ought to be evident to them that whilst City fans were groaning under the weight of failure, those same City fans by their constancy, were actually helping to save their club even though at the time they did not know it.

As for the fans of the clubs above mentioned, what price your mockery now? Have your jibes turned to ashes in your throats yet?

Bitter, proud, arrogant hypocrites who writhe in agony to see another enjoy good fortune.

Can someone provide me with a link describing these 'studies' that were undertaken and the criteria cited? I'm not disputing this claim, and the non-existence of a link would obviously not preclude its happening. If true, and there's no reason to disbelieve it, that really is a 40-ton mega bomb dropped right into the heart of the yeah-but-you-haven't-earned-it argument: Us fans having a bit of backbone has largely contributed.

Regarding the second bit I highlighted: Sorry to argue with you, Sigh, but I knew at the time that our stupendous loyalty would be rewarded, even if it wasn't in footballing success; it was always going to be character building, and regularly brought ourselves Kudos amongst football supporters of all colours.

That we have gone from being amongst the most respected fans in the football league and one of the most loved football clubs in England, to the subject of petty hatred from erstwhile admirers shows how many friends we really had, and how much damage we're really causing.

If this is what (relative) success brings, long may our unpopularity continue.

 

[Matty]

That's a decent piece of writing and there's probably and element of truth in there - there's no doubt that City have a loyal fanbase and the potential as a big City club to expand that (hence averaging 15-20,000 more now than you did 10 years ago). It could also be argued that it's sanctimonous one dimensional drivvle.

Evertons average attendances since the war have been higher than Citys in more years than they haven't - FACT as Roffa would say. You could also argue 'what is decline'? In the years when City were getting relagated and promoted every year there was at least excitement. In that same period we were getting walloped most weeks. playing dismal football, finishing 14th each year, paying twice as much for tickets and still avergaing 37-38 thousand - I'd guess about 10 thousand more than City were getting in the lower leagues.

Whatever the reasons. I wish your highness would throw a few bob our way.

Err, you are aware that we've moved into a stadium that holds approx 12,000/13,000 MORE than the one we were in 15 to 20 years ago right? Might have something to do with the increased attendances........

As for the oppositions views, mostly accurate however PeteO quite obviously has a distinct dislike for City. Whether it be an age old hatred or a newly developed one resulting from our wealth and future potential I can't be sure, but it's clear there to see in his responses.

 

[standupefc]

To be honest the only game that our fans care about is Liverpool pretty pathetic. With the excpetion of the FA Cup final I haven't witnessed Everton fans get excited about any other game. The simple reality is Everton and City are both big clubs with large numbers of supporters that are pretty loyal. I'd say City have a greater catchment area than us so therfore you probably do have more fans. Our home attendances have been pretty consistent the last few years, our attendances have dropped significantly this season due to many fans boycotting games. Both us are bitter towards our nearest rivals and both of us spend most of their time singing about our rivals in red. We have an amazing support considering we've gone from being as big as United and Liverpool in the 80s to a mid table side. Our attendances dropped in the 80s due to the fact thousands upon thousands of scousers moved down to London, or abroad to work. Thats why we have an away support comparable with the old top 4 and Newcastle. There are 4000 seats in Goodsion with restricted views, who's gonna pay £35 to have a shit view?. We have an awful ground, which is in an awful area so it's not surprise we don't get very big attendances at home. L4 was the poorest postcode in the whole of the UK at 1 time, Liverpool is the most deprived city in England it's amazing we manage to get anyone through the door. The toilets at GP are full of people smoking weed, even the stewards do it, the smell of weed is ovebearing at time in the back of the Street End. Our manager plays 4 6 0 and we have plays who are only capable of playing the ball sideways. Our fans are pretty loyal, but even I have become sick of the current regime at Everton. We've sold 2 strikers and now we're left with Sicknote Saha and 2 reserve team strikers. It is jealously, most Everton fans will admit that we're jealous or the way your club is run.

 

[lloydie]

What some opposition fans, chairmen, directors (and a select few journalists who are fans of other clubs) don't like is they and their clubs were weighed in the balance and found wanting despite their successes and progress in all competitions when compared to City's over the same time-frame.

There were a number of reasons why his highness settled on City and none other: a significant contributory factor was the fans as fans.

A comparative analysis of the larger and mid-sized clubs was undertaken, looking at years post 1945. Decade-on-decade failure was aggregated and judged minor if a club merely did not win a major honour but finished competitions as quarter-finalists or better, or top six in the league, more often than not. Failure was judged major if the ends were less than this. Failure was judged destabilizing if cup competitions invariably terminated in the first rounds and relegation was a recurring fact or threat.

Note was taken of the ebbs and flows of attendance across all clubs under review.

In City's case, proximity to "Manchester" United was discussed.

The result was a considered judgment that, given all the facts and circumstances, no other club has (past), and few could expect (future), to maintain a level or intensity of support comparable with Manchester City given her pattern of chronic and acute destabilizing failure. Such was the nature of the underlying weakness caused by decades of failure and maladministration, that had his highness not bought the club, MCFC would have entered administration.

I doubt whether the fans of Aston Villa, Everton, Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur etc are still in the mood to patronize Manchester City fans as good losers, laughing stocks, only winning cups for cock-ups. It ought to be evident to them that whilst City fans were groaning under the weight of failure, those same City fans by their constancy, were actually helping to save their club even though at the time they did not know it.

As for the fans of the clubs above mentioned, what price your mockery now? Have your jibes turned to ashes in your throats yet?

Bitter, proud, arrogant hypocrites who writhe in agony to see another enjoy good fortune.

Post of the season already and now post of the week, you're on a roll my friend.

That's a decent piece of writing and there's probably and element of truth in there - there's no doubt that City have a loyal fanbase and the potential as a big City club to expand that (hence averaging 15-20,000 more now than you did 10 years ago). It could also be argued that it's sanctimonous one dimensional drivvle.

Evertons average attendances since the war have been higher than Citys in more years than they haven't - FACT as Roffa would say. You could also argue 'what is decline'? In the years when City were getting relagated and promoted every year there was at least excitement. In that same period we were getting walloped most weeks. playing dismal football, finishing 14th each year, paying twice as much for tickets and still avergaing 37-38 thousand - I'd guess about 10 thousand more than City were getting in the lower leagues.

Whatever the reasons. I wish your highness would throw a few bob our way.

-- Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:09 pm --

Just a thought - but before you slag someone off for being 'thick' and having a 'speech impediment', it would probably be worth looking at your grammar.

As, well, you don't wanto to come over as someone who'd thick or has a speach impediment do you?

As I say, enjoy the match lid.

Pants on fire?

2011 36.039
2010 36.725
2009 35.710
2008 36.955
2007 36.739
2006 36.860
2005 36.834
2004 38.837
2003 38.481
2002 33.530
2001 34.135
2000 34.828
1999 36.203
1998 35.355
1997 36.188
1996 35.428
1995 31.368
1994 22.896
1993 20.457
1992 23.141
1991 25.127
1990 26.353

I'm sure you'll enjoy the excitement of the lower leagues and you will have my full support in accomplishing that dream.