Palestinian Boy Kidnapped and Murdered.

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

what should Israel do if Hamas are hiding in civilian territory and sending bombs into Israel ?

Just a wild stab in the dark here, but I'd go for stop bulldozing Arab homes, annexing their land, and doing their own bit of ethnic cleansing by bringing in Jewish settlers, for starters.
As Chomsky recommended years ago.
Because as long as Israel pursue this illegal expansionist policy, they are giving Hamas a raison d'etre.

That doesn't really answer the question though does it?

No it doesn't, but if you take away the main reason why folk resort to terrorism, then you reduce the window of opportunity for Hamas to exploit anti-Israeli hostility, because every displaced Palestinian family is fertile recruiting ground for Hamas.
If some **** bulldozed my house and told me to fuck off, I doubt I would be best pleased either.

 

[Barker]

I'm also still interested to know what you guys think would have been a reasonable responds by Israel to the rockets from Gaza? Without getting into an argument.

Special forces squads attacking proven weapon stores would be acceptable imo.

And how do we know that they aren't doing this? I understand that you want me to try and prove that Hamas are hiding weapons amongst civilians and making them act as human shields, but you can't really prove this isn't happening either.

 

[BillyShears]

I'm also still interested to know what you guys think would have been a reasonable responds by Israel to the rockets from Gaza? Without getting into an argument.

Special forces squads attacking proven weapon stores would be acceptable imo.

And how do we know that they aren't doing this? I understand that you want me to try and prove that Hamas are hiding weapons amongst civilians and making them act as human shields, but you can't really prove this isn't happening either.

Yes but what is an indisputable fact is that Israel has no problem in dropping bombs upon schools, hospitals, etc knowing there are civilians in those buildings. Israel may claim that there are terrorists hiding in those buildings but ultimately all we have is their word that that is the case. In the meantime the people of Palestine are, to coin an Americanism, being bombed back to the dark ages.

 

[Barker]

Special forces squads attacking proven weapon stores would be acceptable imo.

And how do we know that they aren't doing this? I understand that you want me to try and prove that Hamas are hiding weapons amongst civilians and making them act as human shields, but you can't really prove this isn't happening either.

Yes but what is an indisputable fact is that Israel has no problem in dropping bombs upon schools, hospitals, etc knowing there are civilians in those buildings. Israel may claim that there are terrorists hiding in those buildings but ultimately all we have is their word that that is the case. In the meantime the people of Palestine are, to coin an Americanism, being bombed back to the dark ages.

But they don't just drop bombs without warning though. What other country in the world would send multiple warnings first, so that citizens can evacuate before they do strike the place? The doesn't sound like a nation hell bent on killing as many Palestinians civilians as possible.

 

[BillyShears]

And how do we know that they aren't doing this? I understand that you want me to try and prove that Hamas are hiding weapons amongst civilians and making them act as human shields, but you can't really prove this isn't happening either.

Yes but what is an indisputable fact is that Israel has no problem in dropping bombs upon schools, hospitals, etc knowing there are civilians in those buildings. Israel may claim that there are terrorists hiding in those buildings but ultimately all we have is their word that that is the case. In the meantime the people of Palestine are, to coin an Americanism, being bombed back to the dark ages.

But they don't just drop bombs without warning though. What other country in the world would send multiple warnings first, so that citizens can evacuate before the do strike the place? The doesn't sound like a nation hell bent on killing as many Palestinians civilians as possible.

The Israeli war machine is geared towards killing as many Palestinians as possible. They don't give a fuck if it breaks International Law. In fact I suspect they secretly enjoy sticking two fingers up at watching world whilst killing as many Muslims as possible.

It's fucking sickening and it needs to stop but it won't. Israel will simply continue to ignore the pleas of the international community whilst hiding behind it's daddy the USA like the coward it is.

 

[dazdon]

It's fairly obvious that the Hamas tactic of using human shields isn't working considering the Israelis seem oblivious to the collateral damage they are causing on the ground.

Hamas are effectively fighting a guerilla war because IF they were out in the open Hamas wouldn't exist for very long considering the chicken shoot that would ensue.

How many places in Palestine are there that are not civilian areas?

Is it justified to EVER use an airstrike on a school instead of using men on the ground and treat the situation like a hostage situation?

Firing rockets at civilians is wrong most people would agree with that but the risks involved with these rockets are infinitesimally lower than having your community raised to the ground by tech weapons isn't it?

Imagine all the Hamas converts Israel are making with this last round of slaughter?

 

[Barker]

Yes but what is an indisputable fact is that Israel has no problem in dropping bombs upon schools, hospitals, etc knowing there are civilians in those buildings. Israel may claim that there are terrorists hiding in those buildings but ultimately all we have is their word that that is the case. In the meantime the people of Palestine are, to coin an Americanism, being bombed back to the dark ages.

But they don't just drop bombs without warning though. What other country in the world would send multiple warnings first, so that citizens can evacuate before the do strike the place? The doesn't sound like a nation hell bent on killing as many Palestinians civilians as possible.

The Israeli war machine is geared towards killing as many Palestinians as possible. They don't give a fuck if it breaks International Law. In fact I suspect they secretly enjoy sticking two fingers up at watching world whilst killing as many Muslims as possible.

It's fucking sickening and it needs to stop but it won't. Israel will simply continue to ignore the pleas of the international community whilst hiding behind it's daddy the USA like the coward it is.

Sigh. I'm so bored of this. We're just going round in circles. I've got better things to do with my day.

I seriously hope something can get sorted soon though. What is happening is without doubt a tragedy.

 

[Citizen in Pakistan]

International law gives the right to resist an occupation and this conflict is not 1 month old its 66 years old when Israel took over Palestine but sorry to say Israeli supporters don't want to to go back in history or reply to this argument and its amazing and it baffles me that ppl continue with this thinking that Hamas is firing rockets etc,well there isn't any proof of a building dame,a casuality or an injury and yet they go on with this,and if ure main source of information on this issue is BBC or CNN or mainstream then what can one say
Stop blaming Hamas and drawing this stupid comparasion at one side u have one of the best,highly equiped miltary force and on the other side a prison state

 

[roaminblue]

I'm also still interested to know what you guys think would have been a reasonable responds by Israel to the rockets from Gaza? Without getting into an argument.

I don't have an answer to this, not one I think you'll find acceptable.

However, what is clear is that this "tit-for-tat" warfare is never going to see an end to the violence. Everyone can see that.

Both countries have gotten so lost in the "he started it" rhetoric, that they have become typically myopic. Their need to get one over the other has usurped decency, and the citizens of both sides are victims. I extend the use of the word victims from wounding/death, to include the brainwashing that I believe occurred that allows even civilians to be so steadfast in their resolve towards warfare, citizens from both sides. I've met Israeli's who have denied that the walls surrounding the Palestinian territories exist, and I'm certain there are similar mind-sets in the west bank and Gaza.

Its 2014 now, well over 60 years since this conflict started. Throughout that time the true number of deaths and wounding and misery that both sides have brought upon the peoples of that region is huge. There are probably very few people left who were around when the country was annexed, yet the violence continues unabated. People say that corporate memory has a shelf-life; political memory apparently does not.

For this situation ever to be resolved it will take one party to make a concession. To publically announce, and commit to, a peace process that doesn't isolate, dehumanise, or exploit the other.

Now I know this doesn't say, how should Israel react. As I said my suggestion would not satisfy you, so I won't mention it for now.

However, first and foremost both sides need to find a way to stop tit-for-tat. If one side can not pull the trigger back, it would be a move in the right direction.

 

[Barker]

I'm also still interested to know what you guys think would have been a reasonable responds by Israel to the rockets from Gaza? Without getting into an argument.

I don't have an answer to this, not one I think you'll find acceptable.

However, what is clear is that this "tit-for-tat" warfare is never going to see an end to the violence. Everyone can see that.

Both countries have gotten so lost in the "he started it" rhetoric, that they have become typically myopic. Their need to get one over the other has usurped decency, and the citizens of both sides are victims. I extend the use of the word victims from wounding/death, to include the brainwashing that I believe occurred that allows even civilians to be so steadfast in their resolve towards warfare, citizens from both sides. I've met Israeli's who have denied that the walls surrounding the Palestinian territories exist, and I'm certain there are similar mind-sets in the west bank and Gaza.

Its 2014 now, well over 60 years since this conflict started. Throughout that time the true number of deaths and wounding and misery that both sides have brought upon the peoples of that region is huge. There are probably very few people left who were around when the country was annexed, yet the violence continues unabated. People say that corporate memory has a shelf-life; political memory apparently does not.

For this situation ever to be resolved it will take one party to make a concession. To publically announce, and commit to, a peace process that doesn't isolate, dehumanise, or exploit the other.

Now I know this doesn't say, how should Israel react. As I said my suggestion would not satisfy you, so I won't mention it for now.

However, first and foremost both sides need to find a way to stop tit-for-tat. If one side can not pull the trigger back, it would be a move in the right direction.

Agreed. Great post.