Pep Guardiola - 2019/20 Performances

[bondsman]

Play Dinho CM and everything will improve.

 

[alexmcity]

The enthusiasm of young players should not be underestimated.

I agree with that, you make some good points. Pep wants a settled team though and that's right too. Liverpool are the definition of a settled team, heleped by lack of injuries to key players.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

I don't know and I can't be arsed to look it up but by Phil's age he'd figured in a similar amount of games with the main differences being that he was trusted to start league games, had played in a Champions League final and was well on his way to figuring in a second.

That's playing as a defender too which is a much, much bigger risk than someone in Phil's position. They trusted him because he showed the talent early on. Phil showed the talent and we just said "okay, cool, but there's an imaginary pecking order where you'll have to wait your turn regardless of whether or not the ones ahead of you stop performing".

Same goes for Garcia. Nobody can say with a completely straight face that Otamendi and Stones should be anywhere near the team on merit. They're total fuck ups and they have the knack for undoing everything the team has been holding onto by inexplicably fucking right up in moments where basic common sense should apply. Garcia came in, looked solid and composed and he just gets shunted to the back of the pack because he's younger than everyone else.

And that's not even to say he's been perfect because he did make a few mistakes but those were nothing more than wrinkles in need of ironing out. .

Now you're telling me that we don't have time to "experiment", by which you presumably mean to let both of them gain experience. Of course they don't! They've had months for that but the manager has denied then every reasonable opportunity to make the step up. It's entirely his fault that they aren't perceived to be ready for bigger games.

Agreed. It is frankly bordering on negligent that we have two or three extreme talents amongst our younger players that cannot get game time. It is stubbornness.

If foden, garcia, or thb decide to leave I couldn't and wouldnt blame them. If we then go out and spend ANOTHER 50-80 million on either of their positions, whilst watching them go from strength to strength with a competitor that would be solely on the manager. Particularly when we need at least one new striker , probably two, for whom we would need to pay 80-100m for one top level operator.

This is a huge summer coming up. If pep renews and we go big it could signal the birth of a new period of dominance. If we then spend it chasing defenders and technical midfielders instead of strikers whilst watching two of the best talents around rotting on the bench it could be the beginning of the end.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

We and Liverpool are in totally different scenarios though. We've built a team that had huge success and wants the CL now. Liverpool, when they trusted TAA, were building a team and were winning fuck all when TAA was Garcia's age. Midfield is a zone where experience matters the most. When was the last time a teenager started a CL final in midfield?

We are not building for the future nowbut trying to squeeze as much from this team as possible. When Pep leaves, then we will have the freedom to experiment more. Even if Pep stays, Foden and Garcia are likely to play more next season if they show they deserve to play.

We won't experiment when Pep leaves, we'll make signings to back the new man up. Garcia will be further down the pecking order next season when we sign at least one more centre back. Phil will more than likely get similar appearance numbers in similar dead rubber games once we sign a David Silva replacement.

I don't mean to ignore your question but I wouldn't have a clue how to look up the last teenager to start in midfield in a Champions League final. I wonder who the last teenager defender was before Alexander-Arnold, though. Exceptional talents should always be allowed to rise to the surface rather than suppressed.

Here would be my question for you and one which thankfully requires no research: if we get knocked out against Real Madrid with the same experienced players failing to show up once again, do you think these two should be given their chance for the rest of the season and how disappointed would you be if they aren't?

 

[alexmcity]

Here would be my question for you and one which thankfully requires no research: if we get knocked out against Real Madrid with the same experienced players failing to show up once again, do you think these two should be given their chance for the rest of the season and how disappointed would you be if they aren't?

They should absolutely be given the chance, I like both of them a lot and get a bit angry when Dave gets the nod over Foden despite recognising his legendary achievements with us.

 

[01cravend]

The point I’m trying to make is if we start playing one team for the league and another team for the cups then there is even less chance of ironing out the problems. There is still loads to play for with 3 trophies and we haven’t guaranteed champions league qualification

This is the time to try to get some momentum and regain a winning mentality Barring injuries/suspensions this is achieved by fielding the strongest team available

So we can only play youth at the end of every season when our place in the league ect is secure?

Can't play youth but if we spent 50mil on a player in the jan window and started him that would be fine?

 

[Tugay One Cup]

They should absolutely be given the chance, I like both of them a lot and get a bit angry when Dave gets the nod over Foden despite recognising his legendary achievements with us.

Okay then we're on the same page for the most part. Where I reckon we differ is the fact that I think they should have been given a proper chance months ago.

 

[meeesh]

Play Dinho CM and everything will improve.

Yup,and you don't have to be the best coach in the world to understand this needs to happen surely

 

[alexmcity]

Okay then we're on the same page for the most part. Where I reckon we differ is the fact that I think they should have been given a proper chance months ago.

We still harboured hopes that the dippers would go through a bad period and we wanted to be there to capitalise on their expected mistakes. If we knew earlier what was going to happen, I'm sure Garcia and especially Foden would have played more.

 

[Ederson's smiley tattoo]

If he continue to play 433 with Gundog as a 8 we're out against Madrid before the games have even started