Pep Guardiola - 2019/20 Performances

[jay_mcfc]

We have won 9 out of 19 games when Gundo and Rodri play together. This is the crux of the problem which I thought he figured out a few games ago but now we've reverted back to trying it again. We don't have the legs as a team to accommodate this partnership.

Our midfield three basically has to be one of Rodri / Gundogan with one of Foden / Bernardo with one of KDB / Silva. Any other combination and we risk the possibility of being overran and conceding goals with very few chances.

It's not about individuals it's about the balance of the team and the energy and tempo they play with. Bernardo has been brilliant a couple of times recently yet he gets left on the bench when he's in form and he positively affects the balance of the team.

The annoying and predictable thing is that when it comes to Madrid we all know he's gonna do this again and we'll lose despite having more shots, more possession etc. The really worrying thing is that pep is making the same mistakes over and over and if he does do that v Madrid then I really don't know where we go from there.

 

[mosssideblue]

Pep Guardiola on the length of time he was in the dressing room: "I was talking with my staff, my wife, and some players."

Doesn't sound good

I dont believe what he said for one moment

 

[mosssideblue]

He won’t trash them out of it either.

Oh he will, and he has admitted that what he does

 

[EdersonsSmiley]

Play Dinho CM and everything will improve.

Based on what?

 

[kwm1988]

They trusted their most talented teenager to be a first team regular and look at him now, he's the best right back in the league.

Maybe if we had the bollocks to trust our most talented academy product with regular minutes then he'd also make an impact.

It's not like we're asking Pep to start kids for the sake of it.

Honestly think if TAA came through our academy instead of Liverpool’s we wouldn’t of give him a chance .
He would probably be in Same boat as Foden now .
I love pep and his time here’s been amazing , but the one massive gripe I’ve got is the reluctance to play young players from the academy.
Foden been a member of the squad since 17/18 , remember he came on last ten minutes in caraboa cup final vs Arsenal , has anything changed really since then ?
He still gets a token five or ten minutes when a games dead and buried usually.
Plays cup games (when the oppositions poor eg united semi final only got few minutes at the end at OT) every couple of months .
Say what you want about Sancho but clearly he made the right decision leaving when he did, him and Foden came up together both of similar high potential , while Sanchos gained invaluable experience in the bundesliga and champions league ,playing every week becoming one of the best young players in the world .
Foden stagnating, and to be frank hasn’t really progressed at all , This is down to Pep,
When he has played well in a cup game Zagreb home and away , port vale in the cup , he’s dropped the next game anyway.
Last season when we were fighting Liverpool to the death for a title fair enough , we were playing great and I could understand not taking the risk there .
But what’s the excuse this season ?
We’ve been shite for the most part, Gundogan David and Bernardo all out of form at different times, leagues been gone for couple months , comfortably in top four , and he still can’t get a run of games , bit of a joke , and it would be a seriously sad day for the club if we lost a potentially world class local city fan like Foden due to not giving him a chance .
I wonder how much more patience he will have .

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Honestly think if TAA came through our academy instead of Liverpool’s we wouldn’t of give him a chance .
He would probably be in Same boat as Foden now .
I love pep and his time here’s been amazing , but the one massive gripe I’ve got is the reluctance to play young players from the academy.
Foden been a member of the squad since 17/18 , remember he came on last ten minutes in caraboa cup final vs Arsenal , has anything changed really since then ?
He still gets a token five or ten minutes when a games dead and buried usually.
Plays cup games (when the oppositions poor eg united semi final only got few minutes at the end at OT) every couple of months .
Say what you want about Sancho but clearly he made the right decision leaving when he did, him and Foden came up together both of similar high potential , while Sanchos gained invaluable experience in the bundesliga and champions league ,playing every week becoming one of the best young players in the world .
Foden stagnating, and to be frank hasn’t really progressed at all , This is down to Pep,
When he has played well in a cup game Zagreb home and away , port vale in the cup , he’s dropped the next game anyway.
Last season when we were fighting Liverpool to the death for a title fair enough , we were playing great and I could understand not taking the risk there .
But what’s the excuse this season ?
We’ve been shite for the most part, Gundogan David and Bernardo all out of form at different times, leagues been gone for couple months , comfortably in top four , and he still can’t get a run of games , bit of a joke , and it would be a seriously sad day for the club if we lost a potentially world class local city fan like Foden due to not giving him a chance .
I wonder how much more patience he will have .

The other crime would be if (when?) Foden were to leave we would probably let him go for peanuts. 10 or 15m.

If we lose another gem in Foden the manager and Txiki would need to pay with their jobs. And if not then even Khaldoon would need to do some serious explaining.

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

Honestly think if TAA came through our academy instead of Liverpool’s we wouldn’t of give him a chance .
He would probably be in Same boat as Foden now .
I love pep and his time here’s been amazing , but the one massive gripe I’ve got is the reluctance to play young players from the academy.
Foden been a member of the squad since 17/18 , remember he came on last ten minutes in caraboa cup final vs Arsenal , has anything changed really since then ?
He still gets a token five or ten minutes when a games dead and buried usually.
Plays cup games (when the oppositions poor eg united semi final only got few minutes at the end at OT) every couple of months .
Say what you want about Sancho but clearly he made the right decision leaving when he did, him and Foden came up together both of similar high potential , while Sanchos gained invaluable experience in the bundesliga and champions league ,playing every week becoming one of the best young players in the world .
Foden stagnating, and to be frank hasn’t really progressed at all , This is down to Pep,
When he has played well in a cup game Zagreb home and away , port vale in the cup , he’s dropped the next game anyway.
Last season when we were fighting Liverpool to the death for a title fair enough , we were playing great and I could understand not taking the risk there .
But what’s the excuse this season ?
We’ve been shite for the most part, Gundogan David and Bernardo all out of form at different times, leagues been gone for couple months , comfortably in top four , and he still can’t get a run of games , bit of a joke , and it would be a seriously sad day for the club if we lost a potentially world class local city fan like Foden due to not giving him a chance .
I wonder how much more patience he will have .

I can't remember Foden ever having a bad game. One or 2 anonymous performances, sure, but he puts in as much effort & contributes as much as any other player. He's the perfect replacement for Dave, but he doesn't get anywhere near enough minutes.

Considering he's not only a City fan, a Manchester lad & has been at the club since day 1, Pep called him the 'most talented player' he's ever worked with it's bizarre. As you said, it's not like we're scrapping it out for top spot. Is he Messi, no, but surely he can get games over Gundogan or Dave. Sancho, a £100mil+ player gone for peanuts. Don't blame him for wanting to go Dortmund, but you do wonder if he'd have stayed if he was at Liverpool, Spurs or even Chelsea/United.

Garcia, Sancho, Foden, Denayer, Angelino, Brahim - honestly, do you think Klopp could get most of those into the core of a team? I reckon so.

 

[blue61]

I can't remember Foden ever having a bad game. One or 2 anonymous performances, sure, but he puts in as much effort & contributes as much as any other player. He's the perfect replacement for Dave, but he doesn't get anywhere near enough minutes.

Considering he's not only a City fan, a Manchester lad & has been at the club since day 1, Pep called him the 'most talented player' he's ever worked with it's bizarre. As you said, it's not like we're scrapping it out for top spot. Is he Messi, no, but surely he can get games over Gundogan or Dave. Sancho, a £100mil+ player gone for peanuts. Don't blame him for wanting to go Dortmund, but you do wonder if he'd have stayed if he was at Liverpool, Spurs or even Chelsea/United.

Garcia, Sancho, Foden, Denayer, Angelino, Brahim - honestly, do you think Klopp could get most of those into the core of a team? I reckon so.

The answer if Klopp would is NO. Lets have a look at Liverpool team of today..TAA yes one academy player who is a regular. You could argue Gomez but he only got in because Matip was injured and as soon as Matip is back 100% I expect Gomez to be back on the bench. We had no choice with Sancho don't forget he wasn't even 18 when he decided he wanted a move, not feasible for any team chasing the title to make them regulars at that age, as for the rest they would be cup players at best

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

The answer if Klopp would is NO. Lets have a look at Liverpool team of today..TAA yes one academy player who is a regular. You could argue Gomez but he only got in because Matip was injured and as soon as Matip is back 100% I expect Gomez to be back on the bench. We had no choice with Sancho don't forget he wasn't even 18 when he decided he wanted a move, not feasible for any team chasing the title to make them regulars at that age, as for the rest they would be cup players at best

Academy, maybe, but if you look at the team, Henderson, Wijnaldum & Robertson were all relegated. Shaqiri too. Matip was a free. Yes Matip was injured, but so was Laporte, and we could have given Garcia game time there instead of Fernandinho. Gomez was £3.5mil from Charlton and looks better than Stones. Lovren was seen as a joke. Yeah they've spent money in the past few years, but he takes 'lesser' players and vastly improves them.

Sancho maybe would have wanted to move to guarantee game time, but Klopp would have played him. He uses 3 CMs/DMs, but he'd probably play Foden too.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Yeah they've spent money in the past few years, but he takes 'lesser' players and vastly improves them.

To be fair, everyone said similar about Pep until this season. Sterling turned into one of the best in the world, David Silva and Fernandinho had their most influential seasons and finally got the recognition they deserved outside of our fanbase and Aguero vastly improved outside the box. They might not have been "lesser" players but he certainly took them to new heights. He turned Delph into a serviceable left back for a while and he somehow got a great season out of Otamendi.

Nearly every player he works with, even Mangala in a recent interview, will talk openly about how much they learn from Pep and everyone could see and acknowledged how the players seriously raised their game under him.