I don't get this obsession with Klopp on here.klopp has a league title with the dippers and we have no champions leagues with pep so in that respect klopp has done more than pep.
Ignore the messenger, it's the message that we are all looking at here.Quoting that prick on here - that would have been a ban in old money.
More accurately, Pep has won 3 league titles and 5 cups, while Klopp has won 1 title and 2 cups.klopp has a league title with the dippers and we have no champions leagues with pep so in that respect klopp has done more than pep.
It's frustrating. If UCL was a league format, we would have won at least 2 of the last 5(and more likely 3 or even 4). Zero doubs last year and the 100 points year would have been ours, and likely this year and 18/19.
What is more frustrating is that english sides have won this competition 3 times(I have no doubt Liverpool will beat Madrid), and we are better than them and Chelsea. I wouldn't care, if not for media and fans taking any excuse to say other teams are better than us. The players and Pep deserve to be considered as one of the best European teams ever(which we are), but they will not until they win this stupid competition
Good. We need to understand that what happened was an anomaly if you look at how pep went around trying to manage the game and did everything fine in my opinion. Our most important investment is to make sure Pep is tied up to a new contract and I really believe that we WILL eventually achieve the UCL but it's important to keep our domestic dominance going so we can have confidence in the CL, especially in the later stages.
Pointless stat in fairness, they’re both excellent managers impossible to say who is best. It doesn’t even really matter.oh he won the league once. he can retire then.
Pep has won the same amount of trophies on city alone that klopp has in his entire career
Zinchenko's head was all over the place in the New Year, hardly surprising with what was happening in his homeland.Yeah. Zinchenko was similar. And it's bizarre because it depletes everyone's energy. Look at Zinchenko in the Liverpool semi final. He was terrible because he'd played zero football. We have to make use of the squad.
As I say, we also have to have a bigger squad if the plan is to push for four trophies.
Zinchenko's head was all over the place in the New Year, hardly surprising with what was happening in his homeland.
Pep see's these guys work everyday not just for 90mins on match day, if players are not at it 100% in training they are out and so they should be.
De Bruyne hasn't been anywhere near 100% for the last two years but Pep keeps pushing him.Zinchenko's head was all over the place in the New Year, hardly surprising with what was happening in his homeland.
Pep see's these guys work everyday not just for 90mins on match day, if players are not at it 100% in training they are out and so they should be.
Im not saying klopp is better but the expectation is obviously lower so in that respect he has done very well especially if he wins the champs league againoh he won the league once. he can retire then.
Pep has won the same amount of trophies on city alone that klopp has in his entire career
He has but two champions leagues change things if he wins the quad it changes things even further also expectations are lower for klopp. Anyone who doesn't think klopp has been a massive success is deluded imo.More accurately, Pep has won 3 league titles and 5 cups, while Klopp has won 1 title and 2 cups.
So in that respect Pep has done FAR more than Klopp.
He has but two champions leagues change things if he wins the quad it changes things even further also expectations are lower for klopp. Anyone who doesn't think klopp has been a massive success is deluded imo.
I never said he isn't a success, I'm clarifying that Pep has been massively more successfulHe has but two champions leagues change things if he wins the quad it changes things even further also expectations are lower for klopp. Anyone who doesn't think klopp has been a massive success is deluded imo.
Agreed about Klopp. He’s the best manager the English game has seen since Ferguson. Bar none.He has but two champions leagues change things if he wins the quad it changes things even further also expectations are lower for klopp. Anyone who doesn't think klopp has been a massive success is deluded imo.
LolAgreed about Klopp. He’s the best manager the English game has seen since Ferguson. Bar none.
Its not just that he has won a league title and come second with 97 points, and it isn’t even that he has won one, (probably two in a couple of weeks) CLs as well as making a third final.
For me it is that his whole team, whomever he picks, plays with a confidence and arrogance that only the very best managers can instill.
Liverpool never ever look beaten. They always play with a belief that they will find a way to win. Think back to the turn around against Barcelona the other year. Does anybody think City under Pep would or could turn around a first leg deficit like that? No chance. He would have spent the week leading up to that second leg telling everyone who listened that Barcelona deserved to be there and we were still learning to play like a big club.
I think he’s great and I’d be delighted to see him extend as over a long season his deficiencies can be overcome with the quality of players he has been provided with, but I’m sorry he is second to Klopp in terms of his overall ability as a manager.
Pep takes great players and keeps them great, albeit whilst flogging them to death.
Klopp takes great players and makes them believe they are unbeatable and makes very good players into beasts.
A Klopp side would not have thrown away a two goal lead going into injury time against a poor Madrid side. Our players look, and have done for some time now, like a group that cannot function instinctively. The moment Madrid scored their first we went to pieces as our ability to play through setbacks has been exhaustively coached out of us.
And why the fuck doesn’t he use our youth set up more. No point in spending millions setting up the best academy in the world if we then let it’s highest potential lads move to rivals for peanuts because they cannot get sensible game time at City. Thank god Foden is a city fan or else no doubt would have left as well.
He’s a great manager. Only a fool would suggest otherwise, but he isn’t quite the very top level a la a Ferguson or a Klopp or a clough.
Agreed about Klopp. He’s the best manager the English game has seen since Ferguson. Bar none.
Its not just that he has won a league title and come second with 97 points, and it isn’t even that he has won one, (probably two in a couple of weeks) CLs as well as making a third final.
For me it is that his whole team, whomever he picks, plays with a confidence and arrogance that only the very best managers can instill.
Liverpool never ever look beaten. They always play with a belief that they will find a way to win. Think back to the turn around against Barcelona the other year. Does anybody think City under Pep would or could turn around a first leg deficit like that? No chance. He would have spent the week leading up to that second leg telling everyone who listened that Barcelona deserved to be there and we were still learning to play like a big club.
I think he’s great and I’d be delighted to see him extend as over a long season his deficiencies can be overcome with the quality of players he has been provided with, but I’m sorry he is second to Klopp in terms of his overall ability as a manager.
Pep takes great players and keeps them great, albeit whilst flogging them to death.
Klopp takes great players and makes them believe they are unbeatable and makes very good players into beasts.
A Klopp side would not have thrown away a two goal lead going into injury time against a poor Madrid side. Our players look, and have done for some time now, like a group that cannot function instinctively. The moment Madrid scored their first we went to pieces as our ability to play through setbacks has been exhaustively coached out of us.
And why the fuck doesn’t he use our youth set up more. No point in spending millions setting up the best academy in the world if we then let it’s highest potential lads move to rivals for peanuts because they cannot get sensible game time at City. Thank god Foden is a city fan or else no doubt would have left as well.
He’s a great manager. Only a fool would suggest otherwise, but he isn’t quite the very top level a la a Ferguson or a Klopp or a clough.