He has clearly shown that with lesser players he struggles. The way he wants to play does require high quality players, not two in every position but mostly fantastic players. Something I always stuck up for him about when knocking he couldn't do it at a lower level ( we would never know) but this season and his first at City has shown them limitations for me.No it isn't. It never has been. No point reading the rest of what you've said if you're gonna lie in the first line.
We all know Pep likes to manage a tight group of 15-18 players. Last I checked, 11 x 2 didn't equal somewhere between 15 and 18.So since Pep came and got an established squad together, you are saying we didn't have 2 great players for each position?
We all know Pep likes to manage a tight group of 15-18 players. Last I checked, 11 x 2 didn't equal somewhere between 15 and 18.
Is this why we finished on 100 points and won the League Cup with Delph at left-back? And why we went on an 18-game winning run with Mangala playing several times? And why we won the domestic treble with Zinchenko in defence? And why we won the League Cup in 2020 with Bravo in net and then in 2021 with Steffen in goal?He has clearly shown that with lesser players he struggles. The way he wants to play does require high quality players, not two in every position but mostly fantastic players. Something I always stuck up for him about when knocking he couldn't do it at a lower level ( we would never know) but this season and his first at City has shown them limitations for me.
If we have a squad of 15 to 18 players it is literally impossible for us to have "at least two players for every position".No,you get 10/10 on passing your maths test for the day, but apart from the LB position, we have had at least two players for every position in the team, until recent times.
It's you whose lying otherwise
It’s loyalty. He knows they’ve run their race and he also knows that we’ve got enough to finish top four, particularly given our more benign run in. However, rather than discard them and have them disgruntled at the training ground and then moaning in the press, he’ll keep them around and keep using them, more sparingly, until they’re no longer under contract. It’s the professional thing to do and also sets an example for the players who will be with us for the seasons ahead. Loyalty is a two-way street.Starting De Bruyne and bringing on Gundogan and Kovacic was suicide. Taking off Nico and Marmoush also just insane. He’d given up.
I’m not sure if it’s loyalty to his players, blind belief they’ll come good or whatever but he’s struggling to come to the same conclusion as everybody else, that some of our players are just absolutely finished and shouldn’t get a kick anymore.
If that was correct we would have had a squad of 22 world class players over the years and not a notoriously small squad starting players like Delph and Zinchenko.So since Pep came and got an established squad together, you are saying we didn't have 2 great players for each position?
You’re quite right. The challenge now, however, is whether he can repeat the feat but with a larger squad (e.g. 22), many of whom are significantly younger than he’s had in previous squads and come with less experience. He’s acknowledged that we need a bigger squad, so he has an interesting personal challenge ahead.We all know Pep likes to manage a tight group of 15-18 players. Last I checked, 11 x 2 didn't equal somewhere between 15 and 18.
Yep. The way football is going, squads will need to be 25-30 players in size. Absolutely agreed that Pep now needs to switch up his methods, which is something he's acknowledged. Just not having it that we've "always had two players for every position" under Pep when 50% of this forum's traffic is people complaining that our squad is never big enough.You’re quite right. The challenge now, however, is whether he can repeat the feat but with a larger squad (e.g. 22), many of whom are significantly younger than he’s had in previous squads and come with less experience. He’s acknowledged that we need a bigger squad, so he has an interesting personal challenge ahead.
Definitely notSo since Pep came and got an established squad together, you are saying we didn't have 2 great players for each position?
Yes, we did.Definitely not
I feel for you as you took a while to post that, whilst it is a very selective and one sided narrative (quoting one position out of 11) to support your wrong argument.Is this why we finished on 100 points and won the League Cup with Delph at left-back? And why we went on an 18-game winning run with Mangala playing several times? And why we won the domestic treble with Zinchenko in defence? And why we won the League Cup in 2020 with Bravo in net and then in 2021 with Steffen in goal?
And how we managed to win several league titles with the likes of Sterling, Jesus, and Grealish in the squad, who apparently nobody on this forum appears to rate? We won the treble in a year that Kalvin Phillips and Sergio Gomez played 44 games between them.
Don't give me this nonsense, man. As others have said, why do we need a thread on this forum complaining about the media coverage and false narratives about Pep and City when the things actual City fans say are far worse and more misguided. If a United fan said Pep couldn't do it at a lower level you'd blow your top, but here we are.
I feel for you as it took a while to post that, but you've also gone with a very selective and one-sided narrative to support your wrong argument. You sound incredibly, incredibly spoiled to me. Not just a bit disappointed with how this season has gone, which is fair enough, but actively angry with Pep and some of the players, like City fans are entitled to trophies every single season over everyone else.I feel for you as you took a while to post that, whilst it is a very selective and one sided narrative (quoting one position out of 11) to support your wrong argument.
Your feelings are the only thing misguided here, blind loyalty which is admirable but happens from football fans who cannot objectively look at a situation without their clubs tinted specs on.
In my post I said "mostly" fantastic players. You can sneak through with the odd passenger. As he has shown this season though, he has become limited due to not having several of them fantastic players available. He deserves every credit for the success we have had, which we won't see again by the way but the man also deserves to be questioned when having a season like this. You fail to mention the early years he cost us in the CL. Gundog left mid at Anfield, fucking lol. Forget the CL final he single handedly lost us too, Lyon. We both can throw very selective bits of info out there but lets strip it all back and look at the facts.
His first year, the year Liverpool won it and this year, without the best players available we have looked really poor. Not one level down but several levels down so the question must be asked, why can't the best manager in the world get something out of this side when the chips are down, why do we consistently revert to type and trust the old guard who have been poor all season. Why can Foden's form drop off a cliff, why have we let so many quality young players go but persist with garbage like Lewis. He gets every plaudit when it goes well and rightly so, all of our success is down to him, on that same note when it goes tits up he is the man it stops with too. Our answer was to throw a couple of hundred mil at it in January and will probably do the same in the summer. It is probably needed of course but why in between that has the best manager in the world not found solutions to at least be competitive? We haven't beaten a top side since May 23, it is Feb 25 with no top sides left to play.
If we have a squad of 15 to 18 players it is literally impossible for us to have "at least two players for every position".
If that was correct we would have had a squad of 22 world class players over the years and not a notoriously small squad starting players like Delph and Zinchenko.
Here’s a direct quote from Pep: "when people say they want two players for every position, I don't agree with that”.
We’ve always had a shallow bench, with 2/3 young players. How often have we had three keepers on the bench?
Spoilt, entitled, go the whole hog and complete the happy clapper bingo.I feel for you as it took a while to post that, but you've also gone with a very selective and one-sided narrative to support your wrong argument. You sound incredibly, incredibly spoiled to me. Not just a bit disappointed with how this season has gone, which is fair enough, but actively angry with Pep and some of the players, like City fans are entitled to trophies every single season over everyone else.
Specifically calling out two academy lads who've won the treble with us. Foden and Lewis. Shame on you.
When Pep leaves this club he will go down as our greatest ever manager and one of the greatest managers to ever come to England. He has changed what the words "Manchester City" mean on the global stage. He has changed English football to the point where kids on the park are now knocking it round the back with confidence. And when historians look back on how City fans regarded him, your post will be there, stinking like a bog.
If you'd told us all that when Pep came in he'd be here for 10 years, win 6x Premier Leagues (including a never done before four in a row), 2x (potentially 3x) FA Cups, 4x League Cups, and above all the European Cup, we'd have been delirious. But no, here you are, focusing instead on the times when City and Pep weren't absolutely perfect, as if perfection is something any football team can reach. As if human beings can just bend history to their needs without a challenge.
What a depressing way to look at football.
I think it will help him having a younger squadYou’re quite right. The challenge now, however, is whether he can repeat the feat but with a larger squad (e.g. 22), many of whom are significantly younger than he’s had in previous squads and come with less experience. He’s acknowledged that we need a bigger squad, so he has an interesting personal challenge ahead.
We've not had world class players? We've not had a bench that was the envy of a good number of PL teams? Ok!No it isn't. It never has been. No point reading the rest of what you've said if you're gonna lie in the first line.