Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

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thegoatsthegoat said:
Happens all the time with injured players, only player it is true about is Rodri, everyone else becomes ten times better when injured. To say we was happy to let Alvarez go because we had Bobb was laughable, even more so that Bobb got injured two days before Alvarez officially left and then we still had weeks to put things right.

From the top down to Pep they fucked up royally in the last two summers, we are now seeing the product of them fuck ups. An overhaul is needed which will see a transition next year too in my opinion. Fingers crossed we can play remotely exciting football during that period
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We didn't replace Alvarez for a reason and the reason was Bobb plus Foden's form in the previous season.

We didn't expect Bobb to miss the whole season, neither did we expect Foden's form to fall off a cliff. Not everything is predictable in football, unless you are a nobody on the net who thinks he knows better.
 
alexmcity said:
We didn't replace Alvarez for a reason and the reason was Bobb plus Foden's form in the previous season.

We didn't expect Bobb to miss the whole season, neither did we expect Foden's form to fall off a cliff. Not everything is predictable in football, unless you are a nobody on the net who thinks he knows better.
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Youre talking about bobb like hes Yamal. How much of bobb have u seen? Besides the goal v barcodes?
 
alexmcity said:
The main thing that has stopped us this season is the injuries. Even accounting for aging players, we'd be close to, say, 84-85 pts in the league if Rodri was available. Without him we can't control games and lose quality in both phases. He's more influential than prime anyone, David, Kun or KdB, even though it's hard to recognise him as such, for his work doesn't catch the eye to the same extent.

Once we get Rodri back and inject more energy in the team, we are likely to go above 85 pts again which would make us a strong challenger for the league.
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Yeah the lack of Rodri is the big one. Every Pep team ever has been reliant on having a top quality DM

Rodri is effectively the complete package. He's great with the ball at his feet. Excellent passer. Reads the game better than anyone. Skilled defender. Very strong and great in the air

Unfortunately Gonzalez came in a window too late. By the time our form dipped, he probably would have had a much better grasp of the tempo Pep wants him to play at and a better understanding of the team as a whole too
 
Mancini’s Pastilles said:
Youre talking about bobb like hes Yamal. How much of bobb have u seen? Besides the goal v barcodes?
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I'm talking about his talent which is very highly regarded at City and elsewhere. Anyone who doesn't know about that is just ignorant.

For the attacking positions we had Haaland, Foden (POTY), Savinho, Doku, Bobb, McAtee, etc. It's easy to understand why we weren't in a hurry to replace Alvarez. That was a risk we were willing to run, given what happened with Palmer.
 
alexmcity said:
I'm talking about his talent which is very highly regarded at City and elsewhere. Anyone who doesn't know about that is just ignorant.

For the attacking positions we had Haaland, Foden (POTY), Savinho, Doku, Bobb, McAtee, etc. It's easy to understand why we weren't in a hurry to replace Alvarez. That was a risk we were willing to run, given what happened with Palmer.
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And many on here were also critical of Alvarez. Then, when he left, how his status was elevated.
 
Mancini’s Pastilles said:
Youre talking about bobb like hes Yamal. How much of bobb have u seen? Besides the goal v barcodes?
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Ssshhh... These lads think that Bobb and Rodri are up for Ballon D'or awards this season even without playing.

That said, both would probably still get more votes than most of our squad this year.
 
Lavinda Past said:
Ssshhh... These lads think that Bobb and Rodri are up for Ballon D'or awards this season even without playing.

That said, both would probably still get more votes than most of our squad this year.
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Think pre-season/CWC will be interesting to see how Bobb plays out after not seeing much of him since 2023/24
 
elbearos said:
I really think Pep needs a new assistant
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I think we're rapidly approaching a change the players or change the manager moment.

Because Khusanov was our player of the month and he can't get on the bench. Yesterday what worked for a month with Omar, Nunes and O'Reilly was shelved because of Pep's love for Foden, Akanji and Lewis.

If Stones is back tomorrow, it'll be him on the bench and Nico O'Reilly will be told to sit in the stands.

Vianna has to cut a lot fat from the squad and it's likely it will create friction as Pep is too close to most of them.
 
Lavinda Past said:
The PL is vastly overrated and over hyped. The simple fact that our 24/25 squad is in the running for CL qualification shows just how poor the standard has been in the PL this (and last) season.
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England's club's UEFA coefficient is by a considerable amount the highest in Europe and indeed the difference between England's coefficient in 1st and Italy's coefficient in 2nd is greater than the difference between Germany and France 's coefficients in 4th and 5th. Is every league in Europe vastly overrated and over hyped then?
 
Lavinda Past said:
Pep's legacy was the CL. That was what he was appointed for.

Qualifying for the CL is no great challenge for any wealthy club nowadays. Elite clubs should consider being outside top 5 as abject failure.

Pep's in danger of tarnishing his reputation by staying at City for no good reason other than to cover up the City Group's lacklustre / ineffectual approach to succession planning.
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Inter Milan, AC Milan, Juventus, Liverpool, rags, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, Benfica, Sporting CP, Porto, Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV Eindhoven, Marseille, Lyon, Monaco have all missed out on CL qualification in the last 9 years which strongly indicates it's not a given and that there are a lot of abject failures around. Maybe, they should had all found the right manager and stuck with him.
 
Lavinda Past said:
I'm not though. I stand by my view on the 22/23 squad. It's been an ageing squad running on fumes for the last two seasons.

The 22/23 treble masked growing problems. Pep should have left after winning the CL, along with a number of senior players.

All good things come to an end. Our current squad is weak and tactically painful to watch.

The City Group's over reliance on, and apparently blind belief in, Pep's ability to keep going is to blame.
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It's the easiest thing in the world to judge with hindsight, especially when actively downplaying how difficult it is to keep a team at the top.

This thread is just full of posters flying kites wanting to be the first to say that Pep is the next Arsene Wenger and thinking that makes them some sort of footballing visionary.

So having last season won 4 titles in a row for the first time in the history of English football and then to get players who were mentally and physically shattered and hit by an horrendous injury crisis into 4th place and the FA Cup final, what is it exactly that causes you to question Pep's ability to keep going? Are we meant to just win the league every single year no matter what and without spending noticeably more than other clubs?

There's going to be a natural drop off after winning a treble. Is your idea then that we should just get rid of the manager at this point? No need for any respect nor loyalty, you just want some sort of hybrid Chelsea/Real Madrid strategy. Do you think that's going to help in attracting future potential treble winning managers?
 
Lavinda Past said:
The PL is vastly overrated and over hyped. The simple fact that our 24/25 squad is in the running for CL qualification shows just how poor the standard has been in the PL this (and last) season.
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The average level of the PL is far and away better than any other league, perhaps our best sides this season don’t currently match up to the best 4/5 sides in Europe but firmly believe there’s sides in the bottom half of Spain, Germany, Italy and France that wouldn’t get out of the Championship, never mind stay up in the prem.
 
callumcity said:
The average level of the PL is far and away better than any other league, perhaps our best sides this season don’t currently match up to the best 4/5 sides in Europe but firmly believe there’s sides in the bottom half of Spain, Germany, Italy and France that wouldn’t get out of the Championship, never mind stay up in the prem.
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Maybe so, but anyone who thinks that teams outside of the top 4 in the PL are anywhere near 'elite' is kidding themselves. It's hyped beyond imagination compared to other leagues.
 
callumcity said:
The average level of the PL is far and away better than any other league, perhaps our best sides this season don’t currently match up to the best 4/5 sides in Europe but firmly believe there’s sides in the bottom half of Spain, Germany, Italy and France that wouldn’t get out of the Championship, never mind stay up in the prem.
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The likes of Fulham, Brentford, Bournemouth, Palace and Brighton must be operating at 90+% of their full potential being very well run behind the scenes and well managed and have quite firmly established themselves in the PL. It's the reason why the 3 promoted teams have gone back down these last 2 seasons. I'd much rather it was Sunderland, Wednesday, Sheff U, Birmingham and West Brom who'd established themselves but I think you have to respect these clubs for seizing their opportunity.
 
blueparrot said:
We are already half way through the rebuild and it isn't remotely like ferguson and moyes, that's a ridiculous comparison when we have no idea who we will want to take over what will be a young team in 2 years.Pep will leave in 2 years with us having a young team probably with some trophies under their belts. That will be Peps legacy.
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Although he signed a 2 year extension I very much doubt he'll see it through now he is trying to get it back on with his wife. They've already lived apart for over 5 years. I think she'll be pressuring him to quit here and move back to Barcalona to be together again. If he did quit City I wouldn't blame him because he's given us everything and I think it's time he took time out to concentrate on his marriage.

I don't think he's been fully focused at City this season, and anyone who's gone through a divorce will know how stressful it was, almost finished me at the time.
 
Pep has made me watch us win 100s of games where we are 3-0 up by half time. So yes I do have patience to see what Pep has for us next season and he remains the greatest of all time.

But here is one point that still irks me - Our football is so fucking boring. I just want to go back to the Sane Aguero Sterling days with DSilva KDB and Ferna behind. We just don't play attractive football.
If Pep wants me to do a Mourinho where the team would play okay football and still win trophies I wouldn't even mind it but I just want us to play one match Barca Hansi flick style.
That El clasico last week with that 4-3 win Man I was entertained! Is it too much to ask for Pep to do the same ?
 
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