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[citymad]

Bayern are effectively the architects of their own downfall.

They have systematically eliminated all domestic competition by picking off the best players from their rivals . They are now in an uncompetitive league and have deteriorated as a consequence.

Look at the competition in the Premier League and the Spanish League by comparison. It is quite possible that both championships could end up being the top two teams tied on points and settled by goal difference and head to head. Even with their recent wobbles, Bayern are 19 points clear of Borussia Dortmund.

Good post. They were totally outfoxed tonight by a superb defence and ruthless forward line.

 

[Stanger]

This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.

He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.

Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history

 

[Deleted member 58678]

This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.

He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.

Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history

I agree. But i also don't think Bayern are as good as everyone thinks neither. Of course they are very, very good! However, there isn't a centre half at Bayern as good as Puyol was, there aren't two midfielders at the quality of the double act of Iniesta and Xavi, there aren't front threes at the level of quality of Henry-Eto'o-Messi or then Villa-Messi-Pedro and there certainly isn't a player anywhere near the level of Messi at Bayern. The level of quality Guardiola had at Barcelona while he was there was frightening! This Bayern side are good, but no 2009-2011 Barcelona.

Bayern have the best right back since Cafu - great! and they have a few nice passers of the ball in midfield - okay. they certainly do have two very high quality wingers...but playing the high up the pitch pressing game that Guardiola likes, there has to be more quality in the box, there has to be somone who can unlock the door like Iniesta (or David Silva like we have) who can thread through a pass nobody else can see. Bayern don't have anything like that. Well, they do but they are sat on the bench in the big games (Götze, Thiago), and one is on the way (Lewandowski). But they still won't have anyone anywhere near the level of Messi.

Bayern mostly have a squad where their best players are suited to counter-attacking: the full backs and wingers for the fast breaks in Alaba and Lahm, and Ribéry and Robben, and the decent passers in deep midfield. Also Heynckes got the best out of all of these players.

I've only been impressed with Bayern in big games this season for one hour against us at the Etihad because we stupidly played a system that allowed Bayern to all of their strengths since they played with no striker and had six and seven in midfield at times against our four, for fifteen minutes against us at their place and in the last half an hour against Dortmund away when they brought on Götze and Thiago when it was 0-0 and they started unlocking doors and won 0-3. Other than that i've not been impressed at all. They were shit in the German Super Cup, they were shit for an hour at Dortmund and should have been behind (poor Dortmund finishing), they were bobbins against us after the first ten minutes at their place, they were shit against United, they were shit home and away to Madrid.

 

[Bluewonder]

This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.

He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.

Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history

Probably the biggest load of nonsense I've ever seen. It takes time to teach the art of tiki-taka, and even Barca didn't hit their peak with the system until 2011. Give it another season and Bayern will be destroying the competition like Barca did.

 

[Danny Hoekman]

Perhaps Pep has stopped the players visiting that dodgy doc?

 

[Stanger]

This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.

He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.

Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history

Probably the biggest load of nonsense I've ever seen. It takes time to teach the art of tiki-taka, and even Barca didn't hit their peak with the system until 2011. Give it another season and Bayern will be destroying the competition like Barca did.

You can come back and say that is nonsense when Bayern are actually destroying teams like u suggest.
So far, as it stands, Bayern have regressed from what they were last season. Possession football doesnt suit players at Bayern and I highly doubt if they will ever reach the level of 'Heynckes Bayern' under Pep using his tactics.

Not being able to adopt any other style of play apart from tiki-taka is what makes Pep such an overrated manager

 

[aguero93:20]

Perhaps Pep has stopped the players visiting that dodgy doc?

:D Thought that was Barca and Madrid that were [allegedly] doing that. Surely it would have helped him in last nights tie then? ;)

 

[Bluewonder]

This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.

He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.

Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history

Probably the biggest load of nonsense I've ever seen. It takes time to teach the art of tiki-taka, and even Barca didn't hit their peak with the system until 2011. Give it another season and Bayern will be destroying the competition like Barca did.

You can come back and say that is nonsense when Bayern are actually destroying teams like u suggest.
So far, as it stands, Bayern have regressed from what they were last season. Possession football doesnt suit players at Bayern and I highly doubt if they will ever reach the level of 'Heynckes Bayern' under Pep using his tactics.

Not being able to adopt any other style of play apart from tiki-taka is what makes Pep such an overrated manager

Expect a reply this time next year, then ;)

 

[Dubai Blue]

This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.

He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.

Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history

Probably the biggest load of nonsense I've ever seen. It takes time to teach the art of tiki-taka, and even Barca didn't hit their peak with the system until 2011. Give it another season and Bayern will be destroying the competition like Barca did.

Why take a system that is perfectly suited to the players on hand and is sweeping all before it, and then replace it root and branch with a system that will require at least 2-3 years to implement properly?

Pep needs to be more flexible in his approach - the circumstances that enabled him to dominate with pure tika-taka at Barcelona are unlikely to ever be recreated, so he needs to become a bit more creative rather than simply trying to re-invent the wheel. He's a top manager and I hope he doesn't become bogged down with his tika-taka obsession for the whole of his career.

 

[Anonymous]

Why take a system that is is perfectly suited to the players on hand and is sweeping all before it, and replace it root and branch with a system that will require at least 2-3 years to implement properly?

Pep needs to be more flexible in his approach - the circumstances that enabled him to dominate with pure tika-taka at Barcelona are unlikely to ever be recreated, so he needs to become a bit more creative rather than simply trying to re-invent the wheel. He's a top manager and I hope he doesn't become bogged down with his tika-taka obsession for the whole of his career.

To be fair, it hasn't really taken 2 - 3 years to implement Pep's way at Bayern. They swept the Bundesliga and got to the semi's of the CL only to be beaten by the team I expect to win the final too. This whilst playing Pep's way.

I don't see his way of playing as being anymore dogmatic than the Dutch idea of total football from which Pep took his inspirations. The key is having the right personnel and unfortunately for Pep this season he hasn't had a centre forward who can offer what they need, which IMO is why they've looked toothless at times in the CL. Stick Lewandowski in that team and I think it's unlikely they get humbled in the way they were last night.