Pep: 'The players deserve a full stadium, we need our fans!'

He's not wrong.

Our grievances are legitimate. Several of the cunts will soon be behind bars. It's a cartel. They are out to get us.

The best way, though, to shut the fuckers up is by winning the thing and to do that we will need a full a stadium with 100% support.

I think that is what Pep is getting at. He's a clever man and I'm sure he's been briefed on our position with UEFA.

Agree with all that. And I wish those people who were in the official attendance but not there in person would turn up!!! Officially 54,335 on Saturday. Mind you, even the Bournemouth fans seem to have counted as 'sold', although only half the seats were filled!
 
If they want it to stop then all they have to do is refund those fans who lost money by not being allowed to attend a game they'd been allowed and encouraged to buy tickets for. At that point, our major grievance is ended.

So you're booing City not UEFA? Because the club could've done many things to reimburse those supporters. Especially as they will have received their fee for playing the match anyway.

This seems very weak and flimsy as a reason to be continuing to boo that UEFA anthem. Especially when so far it's hardly made anyone sit up and say "let's give them refunds for Moscow".
 
Did Pep mention those episodes of booing? I can't recall him doing so which leads me to believe he has totally got the wrong end of the stick and made a link between Wednesday's poor attendance & our booing which is all about our treatment at the hands of UEFA/G14.

I'm not sure but I'm guessing he didn't and like you I think he's got the wrong end of the stick on this. Then again, so have a lot of our own fans as to why we started booing in the first place!
 
So you're booing City not UEFA? Because the club could've done many things to reimburse those supporters. Especially as they will have received their fee for playing the match anyway.

This seems very weak and flimsy as a reason to be continuing to boo that UEFA anthem. Especially when so far it's hardly made anyone sit up and say "let's give them refunds for Moscow".
I agree that the club should shoulder some of the cost as they took the money for the tickets. I don't know what happened to it after that, whether it went to CSKA Moscow or not, but it would be nice if the club did refund that money as a goodwill gesture.

But it wasn't their fault that our fans weren't allowed in the stadium. So UEFA is 100% to blame for the financial loss and that's who we are booing.
 
So you're booing City not UEFA? Because the club could've done many things to reimburse those supporters. Especially as they will have received their fee for playing the match anyway.

This seems very weak and flimsy as a reason to be continuing to boo that UEFA anthem. Especially when so far it's hardly made anyone sit up and say "let's give them refunds for Moscow".

Billy, the reimbursements should've come from the money UEFA received from the fine they handed out to CSKA and distributed amongst those City and Bayern fans that had paid for non-refundable travel and accomodation - that way UEFA themselves wouldn't have been out of pocket.
 
We got to the semi final last year so a few seconds of booing the jingle makes no difference to the team,vinny even agreed with us and i'm sure the team understood,if pep doesn't like it tough,we have a mind of our own as a fanbase
 
UEFA are the ones causing the problems with their totally unjust behaviour and actions towards City, resulting in the club and the supporters being penalised.

Without the booing , their actions would just have slipped under the radar, and it is the publicity about the booing which is giving them the headache, and so imo it should continue.
 
I agree that the club should shoulder some of the cost as they took the money for the tickets. I don't know what happened to it after that, whether it went to CSKA Moscow or not, but it would be nice if the club did refund that money as a goodwill gesture.

But it wasn't their fault that our fans weren't allowed in the stadium. So UEFA is 100% to blame for the financial loss and that's who we are booing.

Exactly. If I'm not mistaken, the club did offer those affected fans the chance to watch the game at City for free and had laid on a bit of a spread. It's not much plus I doubt any fans would've sacked off travelling to Moscow as a result, but as you say UEFA themselves should've done something. The truth is that while football without fans is nothing, UEFA simply don't give a flying fuck about football fans and the sacrifices they make in following their team. That pisses me off way more than the club getting fined for FFP or piss-balling round with the coefficients.
 
Also before I get accused of being a UEFA apologist. I booed my heart out at the semi against Madrid. My reasons? I guess the way UEFA deal with racism and the ridiculousness of the fines. But for me as soon as Pep said "just get behind us" I was happy to park that grievance.

Obviously I fully agree that people should choose themselves what they want to do. I'm just surprised so many feel so strongly even in the face of Pep's seeming wish to have us knock it on the head.
 
Billy, the reimbursements should've come from the money UEFA received from the fine they handed out to CSKA and distributed amongst those City and Bayern fans that had paid for non-refundable travel and accomodation - that way UEFA themselves wouldn't have been out of pocket.

Sure. In an ideal world they should've done that especially after Moscow fans got into the ground. But the world isn't ideal. Especially the world of football.
 
Just been away on a golfing weekend. Playing with lads I only see once a year, lads from different walks of life from all over the country.
The topic of booing and the champions league cropped up. They thought we were simply booing over FFP.

I was happy to tell them the booing was far beyond a simple unhappiness with the FFP debacle.

So, the booing was evident to them but the reasoning why was unknown to them.

I explained the farces we've dealt with regards UEFA.

Fines for everything from singing you're not incredible to turning out 15 seconds late for a second half. Whilst other teams have been fined much less for incidents of racism and such.
I explained that Manchester has the highest percentage of multiracial families in the country and racism is rarely heard at City and if it is there's normally fans quick to call out the perpetrator.
So when UEFA effectively punish City's loyal and commited fan base for racism in the eastern block and make it impossible for us to support our team, that's why we boo. Punished for crimes other commit.

UEFA is a bent, corrupt organisation weak on the key issues or problems in football, City fans are not ok with this. Is booing the answer? Not if our point isn't being understood. Perhaps a fan group or a supporters club could construct a banner/flag.
MANCHESTER CITY against UEFA, corruption and racism. Would be nice wording.

Fan disinterest in the CL is understandable and many saw it as a pointless competition, it's far from that now. Pep , the players and more importantly our owners see it as the launch point for global growth.
Everything as fans we have dreamed of is happening.
We've got the best owners in sport. The best manager in the World and fantastic exciting players. We've even got a good group.
For me, the stadium should be full.
I've been guilty in the past of sacking off the the CL, like many I cherry picked my games.
If we fill the stadium and fans boo, that won't be an issue, the team, Pep, the owners know we're there to support the team despite our feeling on UEFA.
That will be a good boost. A half empty with fans booing really doesnt send out the right signal to me or Pep it seems.

Football is a pastime, a hobby and a passion for many. Finances, work, family will all normally fall above football and rightly so. So I'd never critisise any fan for not going, but what we are seeing now is what we've dreamed of for years.

I personally can't wait to see us play, gutted to miss Saturday, gutted I can't make Swansea in the week. I love watching us at the moment.

I'm sure that's all Pep means, let's build a unity with the players and manager like we used to have, ironically when we were shite.
Pep seems determind to build a bond between the players and us fans, he seems insistent on sending the players over to the fans, not just a gesture but really go over.

If Pep wants my support, he can have it. I'm not a booer myself, but understand it. The team will really need us at some point.
The media alone are building us up as invincible, on the occassions we do lose, the knives will be out. And we can do our bit.
 
Also before I get accused of being a UEFA apologist. I booed my heart out at the semi against Madrid. My reasons? I guess the way UEFA deal with racism and the ridiculousness of the fines. But for me as soon as Pep said "just get behind us" I was happy to park that grievance.

Obviously I fully agree that people should choose themselves what they want to do. I'm just surprised so many feel so strongly even in the face of Pep's seeming wish to have us knock it on the head.

Pep's wrong on this one. He's confusing two separate issues.

The stadium will be full for Barcelona and Celtic and we will be fully behind the team.

We will continue to boo the anthem not just because of past issues but because of the corrupt UEFA proposal to reward historical success in the competition.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
 
Pep's wrong on this one. He's confusing two separate issues.

The stadium will be full for Barcelona and Celtic and we will be fully behind the team.

We will continue to boo the anthem not just because of past issues but because of the corrupt UEFA proposal to reward historical success in the competition.

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Actually I see it totally opposite. Pep should never comment on attendance numbers. Football is fucking expensive and if people can't go so be it.

But the booing he should comment on as it doesn't cost us anything to stop it. Also when it comes to proposals that effect the club like FFP or rewarding historical success. That's the club's fight not ours. It effects them not us. We should therefore follow their lead. If Pep says forget it I'm good with that.
 
Also before I get accused of being a UEFA apologist. I booed my heart out at the semi against Madrid. My reasons? I guess the way UEFA deal with racism and the ridiculousness of the fines. But for me as soon as Pep said "just get behind us" I was happy to park that grievance.

Obviously I fully agree that people should choose themselves what they want to do. I'm just surprised so many feel so strongly even in the face of Pep's seeming wish to have us knock it on the head.
Agree in part but it'd be nice for Pep to have an understanding as to why we boo. Maybe somebody could show him Martin Samuel's article.
 
Agree in part but it'd be nice for Pep to have an understanding as to why we boo. Maybe somebody could show him Martin Samuel's article.

Pep just needs to talk to the management hierarchy at the club if he wants to understand the issue. That article by MS is however a very accurate assessment of the history of the grievances.
 
Billy, the reimbursements should've come from the money UEFA received from the fine they handed out to CSKA and distributed amongst those City and Bayern fans that had paid for non-refundable travel and accomodation - that way UEFA themselves wouldn't have been out of pocket.


Don't forget that the fans also shelled out £100 (ish) each for visas too.
 
Be interesting to see how many City fans would rather not be involved in the Champs league.
 
Pep just needs to talk to the management hierarchy at the club if he wants to understand the issue. That article by MS is however a very accurate assessment of the history of the grievances.


Bayern fans were also affected and wasn't he Bayern's manager at the time? So he should be well aware of the situation as Bayern had the "Respect Fans" banners too!
 

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