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taleofbluehalves said:
Maybe our 4th best but hardly a stellar season. How did he compare to Gundogan and Pogba?
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Both are Statistically superior to Yaya. But that's neither her nor there.

Neither one of Pogba or Gundogan are hardworking tacklers. Granted, Pep tactics might help, but I thought that was the general complaint with Yaya and Silva. Great when we have it and soft when we don't. Both Gundogan and Pogba can be described as such.

I think both players are amazing, but does it strike anyone as weird that a team that show very little aggression defensively now wants to go out and get the 2 most talented players that show the least amount of aggression on their respective squads.

Pogba puts in the least effort at Juve, and is easily covered by a Tevez like tenacity of Morata, Suarez like pestering of Dybala and 3 other extremely hard working midd in Khadera, Machisio, and the Colombian. Something similar at Dortmund too. Now both maybe a lot better than Yaya or Silva defensively, but neither should be mistaken for a defensive stud.
 
Dax777 said:
Both are Statistically superior to Yaya. But that's neither her nor there.

Neither one of Pogba or Gundogan are hardworking tacklers. Granted, Pep tactics might help, but I thought that was the general complaint with Yaya and Silva. Great when we have it and soft when we don't. Both Gundogan and Pogba can be described as such.

I think both players are amazing, but does it strike anyone as weird that a team that show very little aggression defensively now wants to go out and get the 2 most talented players that show the least amount of aggression on their respective squads.

Pogba puts in the least effort at Juve, and is easily covered by a Tevez like tenacity of Morata, Suarez like pestering of Dybala and 3 other extremely hard working midd in Khadera, Machisio, and the Colombian. Something similar at Dortmund too. Now both maybe a lot better than Yaya or Silva defensively, but neither should be mistaken for a defensive stud.
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And that is we're Xhaka would come into play
 
Blue Expat said:
Yaya & Fernandinho are better than Pogba & Gundagan imo.

Fernandinho was the best player on the field when we played twice against Juventus.
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62 and 47. The combined ages. Fern isn't going anywhere anyway so I'm not exactly sure where you're going with this.

Not sure I'd agree with what you said about Fern v Juve. Pogba was pretty amazing.
 
Comparing players is of limited value. It's about who is the best fit. The first approach is Champ Manager. The latter is effective, real life management.
 
Dax777 said:
Both are Statistically superior to Yaya. But that's neither her nor there.

Neither one of Pogba or Gundogan are hardworking tacklers. Granted, Pep tactics might help, but I thought that was the general complaint with Yaya and Silva. Great when we have it and soft when we don't. Both Gundogan and Pogba can be described as such.

I think both players are amazing, but does it strike anyone as weird that a team that show very little aggression defensively now wants to go out and get the 2 most talented players that show the least amount of aggression on their respective squads.

Pogba puts in the least effort at Juve, and is easily covered by a Tevez like tenacity of Morata, Suarez like pestering of Dybala and 3 other extremely hard working midd in Khadera, Machisio, and the Colombian. Something similar at Dortmund too. Now both maybe a lot better than Yaya or Silva defensively, but neither should be mistaken for a defensive stud.
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I think there's been less control of midfield from them. My point was to the poster who suggested we stick with the players we had. I still think we need a genuine destroyer or defensive minded player behind them but who is technically better than Fernando and Delph.
 
Let's face it we have a great but ageing midfield that on occasions this season have been swept away by aggressive, fast and well disciplined opposition. Pep will change all that with his brand of football and whilst retaining the services of some senior players will bring in at least two established young guns such as Pogba, Gundogan, Granit Xhaka, etc. On top of this he will bring through Academy players and / or the likes of Sane.
 
How much are some of the younger or less famous / glamours players going to costs that we have been linked with since the Pep announcement Pep and the board are surely going to be very interested in them but there do not seem to be any cheap players out there and we will also want some stars and these stars cost a fortune these days granted we profitable and have massive revenue now but the number of players we can by is surely limited the silly prices right now. I am specifically thinking of the following players

Dembele

The other Dembele

Musonda

Weigl

Xhaka

Dahoud

Sane
 
Not only are we looking at bringing in 60 to 70m or so from the sale of those players mentioned earlier in the thread but we have the fees for Jovetic and Dzeko to add which is if my memory is correct around 20m for the pair ....I believe we will spend the 80 - 90m that is coming in and another 150 to 200m on top......

Huge Summer coming....kinda want the season to end now :)
 
Blue Expat said:
Why do you buy new LB & RB before giving Angelino & Maffeo a chance to prove themselves ?
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Because we can't afford to lose games while we try out youngsters who might not be good enough. Loan them out, let another team drop points while they learn.

In the meantime, we should go for Alaba at left back, and I'd stick with Zab and Sagna at RB unless there's someone available who's absolutely brilliant in that position. Apart from Lahm I don't know of anyone really but I'm sure the club will have someone in mind.
 
Are people just listing players they are not keen on? I might be wrong but think the outs may be fewer than we think and one or two might be shocks. Think Yaya , Demichelis are gone and two full backs (could be any of them). Think virtually all the others may be given a season to impress or not?
 
bumbleblue said:
Are people just listing players they are not keen on? I might be wrong but think the outs may be fewer than we think and one or two might be shocks. Think Yaya , Demichelis are gone and two full backs (could be any of them). Think virtually all the others may be given a season to impress or not?
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Some of these posts do seem more like wish lists than educated guesses but we can all dream can't we?

I'd guess our outs will be Yaya, Demichelis, Kolarov and Sagna. Probably have more outs than ins and we'll just supplement the squad with a handful of youths.
 
Daz_Blue said:
We have a really good young midfield player returning this Summer from a loan spell in Italy ....Oliver Ntcham

A player I would love to see Pep coach
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Read rave reviews at the start of the season, not sure how he's been getting on all season. Yet anytime I saw him in our youth teams he was dross imo.
 
Omnia Vincit Riot said:
Because we can't afford to lose games while we try out youngsters who might not be good enough. Loan them out, let another team drop points while they learn.

In the meantime, we should go for Alaba at left back, and I'd stick with Zab and Sagna at RB unless there's someone available who's absolutely brilliant in that position. Apart from Lahm I don't know of anyone really but I'm sure the club will have someone in mind.
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Fabinho is deffo on the rise and seems a proper RB for the future!
 
Seeing a lot of people comparing Mangala with Boateng because of their physique.
From what I've seen, Mangala is everything but confident with the ball. An aspect of Boateng's game that has always been there. I could see Pep seeing Mangala as a player he wouldn't be too bothered to lose.
 
Interested in if we will see something a bit different formation position wise if we are in fact after Stones a player I do not think we need but cannot miss out on because I cannot see any of our current CB going apart from Demi Mangala can improve and wont be wanted by anyone Kompany Otomendi wont be going anywhere and Denayer will be returning so if we got Stones we ought to be slightly over covered assuming our injuries are ok next year. Both Stones and Denayer have played at RB a position in which we need some youth. Denayer can also play in midfield right ? So perhaps thats how we fit them in
 
Dax777 said:
Both are Statistically superior to Yaya. But that's neither her nor there.

Neither one of Pogba or Gundogan are hardworking tacklers. Granted, Pep tactics might help, but I thought that was the general complaint with Yaya and Silva. Great when we have it and soft when we don't. Both Gundogan and Pogba can be described as such.
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You sure comment like that you know a lot of things about every player but that is a piss poor assessment. That general complaint against both of these players is that they are useless without the ball, and none of them possess today's essential footballing attribute, which is pressing. Watch Dortmund's 4-1 win against Madrid where he pressed Modric like madman and pretty much won all of the tackles.
How many hardworking tacklers were in the Dortmund side that humiliated us at Etihad?
 
sam663 said:
You sure comment like that you know a lot of things about every player but that is a piss poor assessment. That general complaint against both of these players is that they are useless without the ball, and none of them possess today's essential footballing attribute, which is pressing. Watch Dortmund's 4-1 win against Madrid where he pressed Modric like madman and pretty much won all of the tackles.
How many hardworking tacklers were in the Dortmund side that humiliated us at Etihad?
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