baldmosher said:
Nobody else seems to have pointed this out...
The smokers in level 1 toilets are not just breaching club policy, they are breaking the law.
(Those smoking on the spirals are probably not doing anything illegal although that may depend on your interpretation of the definition of "open space".)
The banned gentleman and his friend are technically accomplices to the other friend's crime, simply by not reporting their friend to a steward, whether they personally smoke or not. Seriously, I don't know if you could ever be charged or convicted of being an accomplice smoker, and not that I think it makes the club right to take this approach towards non-smokers (I don't), but that's the absolute truth of the matter.
Why on earth smokers can't just go 2 hours without a fag, I have no idea, but I assume they also must be unable to go on flights abroad, if they can't last an hour without a ciggie. Or maybe they smoke in the toilets on planes too. I find smokers are invariably hypocritical, reprehensible, unaccommodating people when it comes to smoking, which is probably why reformed smokers are usually the worst kind of militant anti-smoker, they must have some kind of pent-up desire to exert justice on smokers who won't get on the wagon.
you tosser. I have not seen this thread before and have been reading it from page 1 over the last 2 hours, and apart from fletcher you are the first person I have wanted to tell to fcuk off, what an irrelevant up your own arse sad twit you are;
-- Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:55 am --
I have just read through this post from start to finish and am appalled by it.
Having read so many posts this week about the contemptible behaviour of scum fans at wembley (spitting, head butting girls, attacking dads with young families etc etc) it seems that the club I have loved all my life (I am 51 now) is behaving with complete and utter contempt towards many of it's own fans - we are banning people for smoking, for not smoking, for kicking beach balls, for not throwing fireworks. How does this come close to comparing with some of the really serious stuff that went on at Wembley on Saturday?
Worse than that this kid is 17, but even more seriously by any true and decent measure he is completely and utterly innocent, with no real evidence, just the dodgy id provided from one set of stewards to another set some time after the alleged incident.
The fact that such a senior member of the club as Mr Fletcher has failed to enter into any reasonable dialogue with the individual concerned is scandalous. In any other organisation such complaints against senior company officers would be thoroughly and independently investigated - yet City have made absolutely no comment about this matter, and seem to not take it seriously or even acknowledge it.
The thing I have always loved about Manchester City is the FANS. I started going in the mid to late 1960's and got my first season ticket in 1970 and have had one every year since. I just wish that in all my time I had kept a scrapbook of the positive press reports about City's fans and their loyalty - there have been so many of them; I do not recall too many positive press reports about other aspects of our club; it is the decency, loyalty, and self deprecating humour of our FANS that has appealed to the media and people outside of our club.
I sometimes wonder why the club rarely sells out the ground, despite having so much money invested into it over the last 3 years, but I think that this thread spells out a lot of the reasons. I do think that a lot of fans feel alienated from the club, and that it is not like it used to be, but
says it still is. The senior people at the club like to go on about how great the fans are, and yet at the same time they can allow this kid to be banned for something he has not done (or certainly has not been proved to have done by any normal and diligent standards or process), as well as the other stories on here.
I have got 2 young kids as I started my family late, and although they are only 2 and 4 they are both City fans. However I would have preferred them to be City fans at Maine Road before we got to what we are like now, when the fans were GENUINELY appreciated, rather than appreciated as some kind of a public relations gesture. The fact that the club has not reacted in any way to this issue shows that the fans are not really that important. My whole life supporting City has been with the abiding principle of enjoying City - proper experiences, not some cliched "supporter experience" - days like Fulham away when we lost 5-1 and were arguing with coppers about police brutality for not opening the gates early and letting us out, going to Lokeren and staying in the town and being pissed for 4 days but being respected and welcomed for our good behaviour by the locals, and so on and so on. Now we can get kicked out of the ground for kicking a beach ball or for looking like someone who smokes. Unbelieveable.
SWP80 you sound to me like a top lad, and at 17 you are the sort of young fan we should be encouraging to stick with City, not banning (and how many more have we lost like you who have not posted in here?). You have portrayed yourself in here as a very decent teenager, who just loves football and City and I just cannot understand what has been done to you and why; worse than that this has been going on for over 2 weeks and the club has not had the decency to resolve the issue. I do know for sure that the club needs passionate supporters to help it progress on the pitch, not rich "corporates", and I wonder how many passionate supporters will be left in 5 years time? SWP is 17 and has behaved with class; Mr Fletcher from what I can tell you are in your 50's, are an ex senior police office, you have for some reason been employed by our club for over 10 years, and you have absolutely no class whatsoever.
Listen to the fans Mr Fletcher, Mrs Kloss, Mr Cook, Mr Khaldoon, sort this kid's situation out, and if you had any sense I suggest you might want to review some of your internal processes, and certain members of your senior security staff and also the company who provides security.
You say "This is Our City"; I say "Oh no it bloody isn't, not any more".
