PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

petrusha said:
One hopes that the PL hasn't been manoeuvred down the same track. But it's at the very least a possibility that they have, and, for that reason, any media outlets whose coverage doesn't refer to the prospect of City being vindicated are patently lacking in journalistic integrity.
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Which covers significantly over 90%, lamentably.
 
domalino said:
The club's messaging has been incredibly poor on this.

They should have been pushing out via their sources in the press that this is only 4 or 5 incidents that are generating dozens of charges each because of the time period covered.

They should be pushing much harder the idea that the non-compliance is to do with the PL changing the rules on what clubs have to submit in 2021.

They should be briefing people that the club wants this over and done with ASAP.


It's absolutely incredible to me that no one at City seems to have learned from the UEFA saga that their strategy of saying nothing just allows the narrative to be completely taken over by the people shouting loudest on the other side.
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Not so sure. Briefing/ leaking is a sign of weakness and may be detrimental to the case. Inconvenient as it is to fans, it's best for the club to keep quiet and let the process take its course.

It's interesting that the PL have started leaking news about City's appeals against the process. Another sign of weakness from them. I suspect everything is going just fine from the club's point of view.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I guess it depends if the club actually thinks that message would be disseminated to any meaningful extent, which I personally suspect it wouldn’t.
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The fact the Times article last week obviously based on a briefing from City got covered absolutely everywhere and was talked about on every major tv, radio and social media channel suggests otherwise.
 
FantasyIreland said:
Surely educating the average dimwit would be meaningful enough.
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How? My dissemination point relates to the media. You think Dan Roan would provide a counterpoint if City briefed the press about the duplication of the charges? He’s not interested in presenting a balanced picture. 115 sounds better than 5. Plus, it’s factually correct, if misleading.

It’s the same reason why this preposterous loophole argument has taken root.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Then your argument about the club’s inefficaciousness doesn’t seem to hold very much water.
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How have you worked that out?

The fact that the club released one tiny bit of info and it received extensive coverage just shows that they should be doing it more. They can effectively counter the prevailing narrative, and yet they choose not to, instead allowing Delaney et al. to poison the well so deeply that even if we are found not guilty of all charges the club's guilt is already established to every neutral - and there are plenty of neutrals who don't love City but have no sympathy for the rest of the top 6 either.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
How? My dissemination point relates to the media. You think Dan Roan would provide a counterpoint if City briefed the press about the duplication of the charges? He’s not interested in presenting a balanced picture. 115 sounds better than 5. Plus, it’s factually correct, if misleading.

It’s the same reason why this preposterous loophole argument has taken root.
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That I agree with,but why don't our club put out their own statement which provides more detail and clarity? Downplay the issue,if you like?
 
domalino said:
The fact the Times article last week obviously based on a briefing from City got covered absolutely everywhere and was talked about on every major tv, radio and social media channel suggests otherwise.
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I doubt that article was based on a City briefing, we’d just beaten Real and were on the verge of winning the league, why would we bring up the charges? The fact that Murray Rosen’s impartiality was the main takeaway would suggest it came from elsewhere.
 
FantasyIreland said:
That I agree with,but why don't our club put out their own statement which provides more detail and clarity? Downplay the issue,if you like?
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Because then you have to put out statements on every legal issue or you seem like your hiding something. All through this we've put out a statement and said we wouldn't comment further.

That wouldn't hold much weight now, or in the future if we change our mind and comment through the process.
 
moomba said:
Because then you have to put out statements on every legal issue or you seem like your hiding something. All through this we've put out a statement and said we wouldn't comment further.

That wouldn't hold much weight now, or in the future if we change our mind and comment through the process.
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Fair enough,cheers
 
domalino said:
How have you worked that out?
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You said the club’s messaging on this had been incredibly poor. In your next post on the subject you cited an example of the club’s messaging being widely and positively disseminated.

It’s a good job for you that you don’t have to argue for a living.
 
I'm pretty sure the club will have thought through every step they are taking. Although coming out with all guns blazing might be what the fans want, there is a lot to be said for keeping your powder dry. Any attempt to explain publicly the basis of our innocence could easily prejudice the case. Moreover, any public defence is unlikely to be accepted as legitimate by the media, so why bother.

As a City fan my shoulders have been broadened over the years. Let them say what they want.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
It'll be years. There has only been a white paper published, so there will be discussion of that, then it has to be drawn up as a bill to get it through Parliament, and then a wait until whenever it says the regulator will be in place. Chuck in the election in 18 months, and it may not happen for a long time.
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The plan is for the start of next season as its supported by all parties there will be a "shadow regulator" until a permanent appointment is made

www.independent.co.uk

English football’s watershed independent regulator to launch next year

The new commission will oversee the sport in England and is set for the beginning of the 2024-25 season
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
pavelsrnicek said:
I doubt that article was based on a City briefing, we’d just beaten Real and were on the verge of winning the league, why would we bring up the charges? The fact that Murray Rosen’s impartiality was the main takeaway would suggest it came from elsewhere.
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Agreed. There is no way the club would brief that we are disputing a KC's integrity because of the team he supports. The club may well be raising independence issues, and the KC's Arsenal connections or his previous, and his continuing, connections to the PL may be one, but it would be monumentally stupid to allow a briefing about an appeal turn into a tribal issue that only an incredibly stupid press/public could concoct.

That leak was done to damage the club again IMO at a moment of importance, not help us. Maybe not the PL, but someone involved in the PL process. Now I wonder who that may have been?
 
AndyP68 said:
I'm pretty sure the club will have thought through every step they are taking. Although coming out with all guns blazing might be what the fans want, there is a lot to be said for keeping your powder dry. Any attempt to explain publicly the basis of our innocence could easily prejudice the case. Moreover, any public defence is unlikely to be accepted as legitimate by the media, so why bother.

As a City fan my shoulders have been broadened over the years. Let them say what they want.
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Same as what I think. anything said by our owners will fall of deaf ears and turned into something more inflammatory probably. I think they've learnt just say nothing and let facts speak. Not sure its the best way and I do wish they would come out and show some opposition to this bullshit, but I think we've all experienced it, you say anything in our defence you will get laughed at. Pointless.
 
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