PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

abu13 said:
I keep reading that Uefa were aware of this and that and there were discussions that had taken place between us and Uefa, while this is all well and good I assume we also had the same conversations with the Premier League, if we didn't then we may have left ourselves exposed.
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The PL do the actual licensing for FFP on behalf of Uefa, for English clubs I believe. If UEFA and the PL talk to each other, then the PL should have been aware of the Etisalat sponsorship and the image rights payments well before the Der Spiegel articles.

Which adds to the belief that this is a manufactured scenario.
 
Chappie said:
And by the amount of overseas supporters that we are attracting to the club, it would appear that they too,don't give 2 shiny shirts about the the trumped up chargeses.
Onwards and upwards, "feck em all"
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Feck 'em all
Feck 'em all
Feck 'em all
Feck the reds and the rags and arsenal
'Cos you'll see no team finer
just ask Carlton Palmer
so come on my lads
Feck 'em all.
 
Premier League will have been lobbied and harassed extensively by reps of Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham plus others. This is where the 115 panicky charges came from. The Premier League as a political organisation is not our friend and they have been bullied into this. Richard Masters is a stooge for the red cartel. Third or fourth choice by all accounts. City is a very well run club. Unless there is something we don't know about we will crush these charges. Come on City!
 
spinney said:
There is bound to have been idle uninformed conversation about the issue just as we've had on here
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Imagine if the information they had that would "risk the UK’s relationship with the United Arab Emirates (UAE)" is a chat between agency staff who are dippers/rags hoping for us to be found guilty.

More than likely it will be reports and personal speculations on what the likely impact it will have on UAE's investment into the UK.
 
moomba said:
If we were going to use political pressure to escape punishment on these charges, why didnt we we use pressure 4 years ago to not get charged in the first place?
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That’s what I’ve been saying. It wouldn’t make sense for it to get this far but then not much about this whole thing makes sense, unless you are a lawyer….then it makes perfect sense as you are making a lot of money.
 
I'm Blue said:
I find the Mancini charges strange.
The reason I say strange is the fact that in a 4 year investigation nobody from the premier league has thought to question Mancini with regards being ‘paid off the books’
Surely with the seriousness of the charges and the ramifications that could come because of said charges someone would surely question him?
But he’s not even had a phone call.
(His words)
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Roberto Mancini breaks silence on Man City Premier League charges

Italy's head coach was speaking ahead of his team's Euro 2024 qualifier against England on Thursday
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
Like I said I find it strange.
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It's not that strange if you take the point of view that they're not after the truth, they just want mud to sling. If they're afraid that questioning Mancini would lead to the truth that there was no wrongdoing, and hence remove this particular lump of mud from their sweaty hands, they're going to avoid doing it.

Appreciate this may well have been what you were implying.
 
Do you think there's a conspiracy theory against all things City?
When we get off the charges, will there be a conspiracy theory as to how we managed it, irrespective of the proof we supply and the defence we produce? (As we did previously.)
As the song goes, "Best defence in Europe, we're Manchester City...."
Don't "Pannick"; the defence is in good hands.
:-)
 
Maybe its just me, but the first thing I thought when reading these groundless rumours of Government involvement in that rag was... they've managed to get hold of information on how the panel matters are proceeding. They couldn't print it without getting themselves or someone else in trouble... and given the information they received they wouldn't want to anyway.

Basically, things aren't going well for the PL and their 115, so its time to start laying the groundwork for the 'they got away with it because of ...blah blah blah'. In short, when cleared, the governmental influence will be the PL's very own 'time barred charge get out'.
 
JTFactsPlz said:
It's not that strange if you take the point of view that they're not after the truth, they just want mud to sling. If they're afraid that questioning Mancini would lead to the truth that there was no wrongdoing, and hence remove this particular lump of mud from their sweaty hands, they're going to avoid doing it.

Appreciate this may well have been what you were implying.
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Mancini didn’t leave the club under good circumstances and they were actively lining up his replacement before a cup final. When these charges came out thought maybe he would have an axe to grind with the club, nothing has materialised. All he has to do is show his wage slips and it puts anything untoward to bed.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Mancini didn’t leave the club under good circumstances and they were actively lining up his replacement before a cup final. When these charges came out thought maybe he would have an axe to grind with the club, nothing has materialised. All he has to do is show his wage slips and it puts anything untoward to bed.
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Not that simple. I expect the PL line will be that the deal with AbuDhabi/Mansour was disguised salary from City as the contracts were executed at the same time by the same execs and City paid the first two instalments.
The issue then is what we entered on our returns to the PL.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Mancini didn’t leave the club under good circumstances and they were actively lining up his replacement before a cup final. When these charges came out thought maybe he would have an axe to grind with the club, nothing has materialised. All he has to do is show his wage slips and it puts anything untoward to bed.
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Liverpool an United fans would never accept any irrefutable evidence which exonerates City.
They don't want justice. What they want is getting City out of the way.
That's why they often scream about relegation and points deductions.
They are used to competing with loaded dice until City came along.
 
City Mike 1969 said:
Maybe its just me, but the first thing I thought when reading these groundless rumours of Government involvement in that rag was... they've managed to get hold of information on how the panel matters are proceeding. They couldn't print it without getting themselves or someone else in trouble... and given the information they received they wouldn't want to anyway.

Basically, things aren't going well for the PL and their 115, so its time to start laying the groundwork for the 'they got away with it because of ...blah blah blah'. In short, when cleared, the governmental influence will be the PL's very own 'time barred charge get out'.
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I think there is a lot of truth in this. This sort of story usually starts as a bit of gossip which lays the seeds. The important thing is who makes the initial comment to the journalist who sets the hare running. In this case the hare became a Freedom of Information request by the Athletic.
You can be sure that most football journalists are not connected in diplomatic circles but they are always spreaking off the record to PL football Directors and officials at places like the EFL or the FA so you can be sure where this story has come from. During the last 15 years there has been a constant drip drip of poisonous private comments to selected journalists from certain club Directors and football officials about City and its owner.
This is fact not conspiracy and is part of a relentless media smear campaign against us by our commerical rivals. This sort of thing is not confined to football. Dirty tricks are used in many areas of business. (Google the savage legal and media battle between Pepsi and Coca Cola for example).
 
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If we are completely cleared by the PL, you can rest-assured that rival fans will be convinced of a conspiracy: state influence, diplomatic barriers, under the counter payments, or an army of lawyers who swore a decade's worth of litigation. This is the tribalism of football, and it is especially the case with certain clubs who cannot handle that they no longer represent the elite level in English football. When the case is won, this stuff will not go away. It is best ignored to focus on having the best team, the best owners, the best manager and a host of records.
 
oldius said:
If we are completely cleared by the PL, you can rest-assured that rival fans will be convinced of a conspiracy: state influence, diplomatic barriers, under the counter payments, or an army of lawyers who swore a decade's worth of litigation. This is the tribalism of football, and it is especially the case with certain clubs who cannot handle that they no longer represent the elite level in English football. When the case is won, this stuff will not go away. It is best ignored to focus on having the best team, the best owners, the best manager and a host of records.
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Have you met the average football fan? The club couldn't give a shit if your mate down the pub with his fake Yoonited and dodgy stream box who everyone thinks is a bit of a knob still think there's a conspiracy.

If we are cleared we carry on as usual, and it's up to rest of the league to close the gap, and if we aren't we are staring down the barrel of some serious, serious sanctions.

Everything else is noise.
 
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Brightwell Bros. said:
Have you met the average football fan? The club couldn't give a shit if your mate down the pub with his take Yoonited and dodgy stream box who everyone things is a bit of a knob still think there's a conspiracy.

If we are cleared we carry on as usual, and it's up to rest of the league to close the gap, and if we aren't we are staring down the barrel of some serious, serious sanctions.

Everything else is noise.
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That was my point.
 
Let's face it - it's going to be a hefty fine, a possible 3 point deduction and maybe a one window transfer ban for "administrative" infringements. The fine will be big enough and face saving enough to be headline.
The more serious allegations (which I don't believe we are guilty of) will be swept away.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Let's face it - it's going to be a hefty fine, a possible 3 point deduction and maybe a one window transfer ban for "administrative" infringements. The fine will be big enough and face saving enough to be headline.
The more serious allegations (which I don't believe we are guilty of) will be swept away.
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Can we then demand an equal amount of scrutiny on the books of Liverpool and United?
 
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