PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Keeper! said:
Correct me if I am wrong but at no time did our owner/execs oppose FFP.
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We voted against the introduction of the rules in the first place. The truth is that we don't know what has gone on behind closed doors since.

I'd be very interested to know whether it was a one-off vote given that the likes of Wigan and Reading are now nowhere to be seen or whether we have attempted to have the rules removed or appropriately amended since.

Especially so given that there have been other votes designed to scupper our business plan such as the recent motions trying to impose restrictions on inter-group player loans and "related'" party sponsorships which I expect we were lobbying hard over and which were defeated. There was also a vote on restrictions on Newcastle's sponsorship that we abstained from because our legal advice was that it was illegal. The PL passed it nonetheless but subsequently abandoned it, presumably although theyvwon't admit it, on the basis that the legal advice was found to be correct.

I'd put my house on it that whichever way the charges go, FFP will be dead in the water not long after the decision.

We aren't party to what goes on within the PL but I bet the politics rival anything that House of Cards had to offer. I hope, one day, it all comes out.
 
Newman Noggs said:
We voted against the introduction of the rules in the first place. The truth is that we don't know what has gone on behind closed doors since.

I'd be very interested to know whether it was a one-off vote given that the likes of Wigan and Reading are now nowhere to be seen or whether we have attempted to have the rules removed or appropriately amended since.

Especially so given that there have been other votes designed to scupper our business plan such as the recent motions trying to impose restrictions on inter-group player loans and "related'" party sponsorships which I expect we were lobbying hard over and which were defeated. There was also a vote on restrictions on Newcastle's sponsorship that we abstained from because our legal advice was that it was illegal. The PL passed it nonetheless but subsequently abandoned it, presumably although theyvwon't admit it, on the basis that the legal advice was found to be correct.

I'd put my house on it that whichever way the charges go, FFP will be dead in the water not long after the decision.

We aren't party to what goes on within the PL but I bet the politics rival anything that House of Cards had to offer. I hope, one day, it all comes out.
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While we voted against the introduction of PL FFP and, as you rightly state, we’ve objected to certain other ideas that have been voted on, I don’t see why we would have wanted the FFP rules removed in the intervening period. Why? Because it can actually be argued that while we were always going to struggle to meet the break-even requirement during UEFA’s very first monitoring period, since then FFP has helped us as we were already well on our way to becoming a financial behemoth before the drawbridge was pulled up. If anything, if we didn’t have these bullshit charges hanging over us, we should be held up as a FFP success story and a shining example of how owner investment in all the right areas can grow a club so much.
 
Newman Noggs said:
We voted against the introduction of the rules in the first place. The truth is that we don't know what has gone on behind closed doors since.

I'd be very interested to know whether it was a one-off vote given that the likes of Wigan and Reading are now nowhere to be seen or whether we have attempted to have the rules removed or appropriately amended since.

Especially so given that there have been other votes designed to scupper our business plan such as the recent motions trying to impose restrictions on inter-group player loans and "related'" party sponsorships which I expect we were lobbying hard over and which were defeated. There was also a vote on restrictions on Newcastle's sponsorship that we abstained from because our legal advice was that it was illegal. The PL passed it nonetheless but subsequently abandoned it, presumably although theyvwon't admit it, on the basis that the legal advice was found to be correct.

I'd put my house on it that whichever way the charges go, FFP will be dead in the water not long after the decision.

We aren't party to what goes on within the PL but I bet the politics rival anything that House of Cards had to offer. I hope, one day, it all comes out.
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I agree with all of that, our only mistake was not fighting FFP in the courts from day one.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
In case anyone missed it, the list of PL champions if City and Chelsea had not broken the cosy cartel, particularly love spuds missing out to Chelsea in 2017.
This is THE MOTIVATION behind the 115, forget all the bollocks about sports-washing and human rights etc...

2023 arse
2022 lpool
2021 manu
2020 lpool
2019 lpool
2018 manu
2017 spurs pmsl
2016 leicester
2015 arse
2014 lpool
2013 manu
2012 manu
2011 manu
2010 manu
2009 manu
2008 manu
2007 manu
2006 manu
2005 arse
2004 arse
2003 manu
2002 arse
2001 manu
2000 manu
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Leicester & Spurs wouldn’t have happened. The Rags wouldn’t have imploded, they’d have just carried on sweeping them all up.
 
It's going to be a looooong period of nothingness before there is anything of substance to discuss. The only things of note since the charges were laid are the Everton charge(s) and punishment, which is far removed from our case, and Mike Keegan giving a timeframe on when our case will be heard.

If Keegan is correct then the panel will sit next autumn with a verdict expected by summer 2025. The losing side will definitely appeal and Stefan reckons that will be done and dusted by summer 2026.

Sigh....
 
Iassel said:
100% - my point was not that the PL threw this together at the last minute, that would be a crazy claim. Before even announcing charges there have already been 2x arbitration panels, a Commercial Court case and City’s appeal against that case and the PL won all 4, of course it wasn’t a last minute thing.

My belief is only that the announcement was rushed out in a panic, hence why the charges were pre-22/23 rulebook charges and not updated to the new rules.
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All of the charges are pre the current rule book. We have been charged with breaching rules in the relevant years rule books and as far as I remember nothing from the current year book as all the charges are pre 2018 or something
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Mutually assured destruction.
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Mate, you are making people on here believe bullshit about secret tapes and suings and mass conspiracy dossiers with that comment.

The Premier League don't want to hammer their brand with a punishment or ban or asterixes or any of that. But there is no smart bomb solution for City here apart from winning the case by whatever means necessary.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Mate, you are making people on here believe bullshit about secret tapes and suings and mass conspiracy dossiers with that comment.

The Premier League don't want to hammer their brand with a punishment or ban or asterixes or any of that. But there is no smart bomb solution for City here apart from winning the case by whatever means necessary.
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I think what he means is City will fight to the end if they believe they are innocent and will use all available resources to try to protect themselves. After all it’s a multi billion dollar operation with reputations at stake with potentially thousands of employees under them.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Mate, you are making people on here believe bullshit about secret tapes and suings and mass conspiracy dossiers with that comment.

The Premier League don't want to hammer their brand with a punishment or ban or asterixes or any of that. But there is no smart bomb solution for City here apart from winning the case by whatever means necessary.
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There is a "smart bomb" , scorched earth last resort button (reasonably decent sources). Only time and a grossly detrimental finding will tell though.
In the meantime it's just forum tennis.
 
Iassel said:
If the club were found guilty on all charges - which would need the PL to pull something game changing out of their folders - then it would be incredibly difficult for the executive team to stay on. You’d be talking about one of the UKs biggest frauds in recent history, you don’t just carry on as if nothing happened. There would undoubtedly also be a strong push to disbar SM as an owner.

Now it would take something like extraordinary for the club to be found guilty on all charges, and of course the status of the executive team would then be very low on the list of issues to resolve.
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And if we were found "guilty" on all charges do you think the club would sit back and accept it, given that they very much believe they've done nothing wrong? Getting rid of people just wouldn't be on any "to do list" as that would imply guilt. We would double down and fight tooth and nail.
 
Iassel said:
If the club were found guilty on all charges - which would need the PL to pull something game changing out of their folders - then it would be incredibly difficult for the executive team to stay on. You’d be talking about one of the UKs biggest frauds in recent history, you don’t just carry on as if nothing happened. There would undoubtedly also be a strong push to disbar SM as an owner.

Now it would take something like extraordinary for the club to be found guilty on all charges, and of course the status of the executive team would then be very low on the list of issues to resolve.
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You don’t seem to get that our club will not just give in & get rid of our executive team who have been first class for years. We are being persecuted & the club will fight for years in any way they can. We are innocent remember- nobody has found us guilty of anything so why do you carry on with the negativity
 
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