PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[slbsn]

Thoughts on the document he refers to (not the video)? @projectriver

If you've not seen, here is the link:

https://shura.shu.ac.uk/32115/1/2023_ISLR_Issue_3_Print_Ioannidis_Plumley.pdf

NB As others have said, you seem to have covered all this before on spaces, your article and podcasts.

It is not a good piece. It makes a big song and dance about standard of proof but it is wrong (there is a specific rule expressly saying what the standard is in the PL Rules). It is balance of probabilities. The rest of it doesn't seem to advance the discussion at all in my view. So I thought it was a bit odd especially on standard of proof.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

It is not a good piece. It makes a big song and dance about standard of proof but it is wrong (there is a specific rule expressly saying what the standard is in the PL Rules. It is balance of probabilities. The rest of it doesn't seem to advance the discussion at all in my view. So I thought it was a bit odd especially on standard of proof.

Haven’t read the piece you are referring to and won’t either, but balance of probabilities is the one thing that slightly worries me in all of this.
I still can’t see how any probability can be proven by the PL. I find it highly improbable, but the sway can be as narrow as 51-49 for a decision to be made.
You can see how the process can be, let’s say, tampered with with a three man committee and their own laws and regulations.
It’s more a lack of trust on my part for the process.

If it were the law courts and this was merely the difference in proof required between the civic and criminal courts, I would not be as worried.


Personally though, I still see this long drawn out smear campaign as the real purpose of the process.
No smoke without fire, etc etc.
if so though, it seems to have backfired.

 

[bakerdave76]

Rui Pinto, loads of scouse scum singing the criminal's praise.https://twitter.com/FootballTalkHQ/status/1701462190891360576?t=zWAJ-zjDGJEcj0dg2by10g&s=19

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

My main take on all of this is that football has moved on at a huge rate over the last 15 years, the teams with most money were always the ones at the top and it was always going to be the case, however football clubs were mostly run by football people. The rags and a couple of others got a jump on everyone else by becoming more of a business than a conventional club, however at heart they merely had competent business men running them.
All of a sudden we rocked up with a whole new level of business knowledge, our guys had a clear plan that was so far ahead of the curve of other clubs that they have been left trailing in our wake. And of course the only way the other clubs and fans can come to terms with this is that we must have cheated. It is now their comfort blanket that they rely on. In reality I suspect when the hearing takes place we will be proven to have complied with the rules completely. Maybe not in the way that other do but completely legal .

If our owners sold up today they'd probably walk away with anywhere between £500m and £1bn pure profit.

The "sportswashing" critics have always missed this basic point, and missed it so badly that it's blinded them to what is really happening at City.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Haven’t read the piece you are referring to and won’t either, but balance of probabilities is the one thing that slightly worries me in all of this.
I still can’t see how any probability can be proven by the PL. I find it highly improbable, but the sway can be as narrow as 51-49 for a decision to be made.
You can see how the process can be, let’s say, tampered with with a three man committee and their own laws and regulations.
It’s more a lack of trust on my part for the process.

If it were the law courts and this was merely the difference in proof required between the civic and criminal courts, I would not be as worried.


Personally though, I still see this long drawn out smear campaign as the real purpose of the process.
No smoke without fire, etc etc.
if so though, it seems to have backfired.

However, if Tolmie is correct and Pep is going to stay until we’re absolved, we might want the tribunal to take the next 40 years.

 

[Centurions]

Rui Pinto, loads of scouse scum singing the criminal's praise.https://twitter.com/FootballTalkHQ/status/1701462190891360576?t=zWAJ-zjDGJEcj0dg2by10g&s=19

Seriously, why post that. Does anyone actually care what some random dick on Twitter thinks?

 

[Centurions]

Haven’t read the piece you are referring to and won’t either, but balance of probabilities is the one thing that slightly worries me in all of this.
I still can’t see how any probability can be proven by the PL. I find it highly improbable, but the sway can be as narrow as 51-49 for a decision to be made.
You can see how the process can be, let’s say, tampered with with a three man committee and their own laws and regulations.
It’s more a lack of trust on my part for the process.

If it were the law courts and this was merely the difference in proof required between the civic and criminal courts, I would not be as worried.


Personally though, I still see this long drawn out smear campaign as the real purpose of the process.
No smoke without fire, etc etc.
if so though, it seems to have backfired.

It obviously can't be 51-49 as there's only three of them but what I can guarantee with no proof whatsoever is that there will be no "tampering".

Long drawn out? Definitely, but I've got no worries on the result no matter how long it takes.

 

[The Lightbowne Cowboy]

I support Everton, but I don't think City have done anything wrong. Your post is spot on. You have done it through hard work and the rewards have come, fair play to you for it. Those who cry arse the most are the ones who think they have a divine right to win everything, mainly two teams who play in red. Stuff them! Good luck to your team and I hope the charges are laughed out and leave certain teams to cry arse some more.

You're a dude! :)

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

If our owners sold up today they'd probably walk away with anywhere between £500m and £1bn pure profit.

The "sportswashing" critics have always missed this basic point, and missed it so badly that it's blinded them to what is really happening at City.

None so blind as those who do not want to see .

 

[adr2.8i]

If our owners sold up today they'd probably walk away with anywhere between £500m and £1bn pure profit.

The "sportswashing" critics have always missed this basic point, and missed it so badly that it's blinded them to what is really happening at City.

charge number 116 "blinding critics" :-) Blindwashing.