PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Prestwich_Blue]

Call me sceptical but it seems the premier league are picking and choosing what they are enforcing.

We see that every fucking week with their refs.

 

[The perfect fumble]

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So here's a strange thing... A UK Lawyer said that the PL state in their memorandums of articles & association that they operate in accordance with UK Law. However, a statute of limitations of 6 months for minor criminal offences, & 6 years for civil, contract & debt cases exists in UK Law.

The only area where there's no statute of limitations, is for serious criminal offences typically tried at the Crown Court.

The Lawyer then said, at best he believes the PL adjudication panel can only go back to offences committed from 2017 onwards. Anything prior to this is time barred in UK Law.

Now this doesn't mean the PL can't go back pre-2017 in their own internal processes, but what it does mean is if City appeal the process in a civil court, the court will only consider evidence post February 2017.

From my understanding, most of what we're charged with is pre-2017, so would be thrown out if we appealed the process used in a UK Court of Law.

I was hearing so many scenarios at first, that I thought the PL had charged us, & were seeking the evidence to support their accusations, but that's definitely not the case.

The PL have charged us, disclosed their evidence to City & given it to the PL Adjudication panel to consider ahead of a hearing.

City have disclosed our evidence, & are now waiting for the hearing date, & that's where things get a bit odd. If the PL have charged us & disclosed their evidence to us & their panel, why all the estimates the whole process could take up to four years?

I get there are thousands of pages of documents & witness testimonies, but surely it can be resolved before then?

There are new claims the case will be heard commencing September 2024, with a verdict being reached by summer 2025, notwithstanding any delays.

City maintain we have irrefutable evidence & are confident of our innocence. As you say, many of the charges have already been heard & dismissed by CAS, so the reason this has all resurfaced is because of the Der Spiegel "evidence" which was gained through hacking.

We were also sanctioned by UEFA in 2014 for the majority of these charges, so it's difficult to see how the PL can charge us again.

We submit our financial reports to the PL, & they submit them to UEFA. The PL are seemingly claiming this constitutes two sets of breaches, because if we've lied to UEFA, we've defacto lied to the PL too. But what about the double jeopardy of being charged twice for the same alleged breaches? ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Again, there's the lawful reporting of a crime. If the PL believe we've committed accounting fraud, they're duty bound by law to alert the authorities, whereby it'll become a criminal matter.

None of this has happened, because if they were to make this move, it would drag our auditors, sponsors, the Abu Dhabi Government & the Abu Dhabi Royal Family into the equation, which at the very least would cause a diplomatic incident, whereby the UK would be accusing Abu Dhabi of being fraudsters & crooks.

After rowing back on a 2021 investment commitment to the UK because of the mess caused by Doris & Truss, Sunak was seen as a steadying hand & Grant Schapps got the investment deal back on track, but at a reduced initial £10bn.

The Tories are desperate for this investment, so you can imagine their rage when the PL reared its turkey head with talk of charging us on the instructions of the Hateful Eight.

The Abu Dhabi investment deal was resurrected in January 2023. A month later the government gave the PL notice of an Independent Regulator for Football. The PL obviously panicked, & three days later City were charged.

The UK Government has bigger fish to fry, & too much to lose just to placate the Red Top Mafia & Spuds over trumped up football related charges.

Given the latest date for a General Election is January 28th 2025, the Tories will want Abu Dhabi's investment on their balance sheet, so they can justify tax cut bribes for their mates.

I very much doubt they'll allow FFP to hinder their re-election bid in any way shape or form. To qualify this, the Independent Regulator of Football will be setup in shadow form before 2024, & because it was in the King's Speech, it will be enacted BEFORE the next election.

Government ministers have already said they'll act retrospectively in the interests of the game, so quite how this will effect the PL's frivolous charges against us, remains of great interest.

The Government's wording & comments surrounding this seem to suggest, they're stepping in to take control of English & Welsh football, lock, stock & two smoking barrels.

City seem relaxed & confident about the charges. The PL seem to be shitting themselves & confused as what to do next.

The last time football authorities fucked with City, Platini & Blatter were arrested, charged, found guilty & banned from football.

Then on UEFA's behalf, the PL chose to pick a fight with us, & they've gone on to lose regulatory control of their Premier League cash cow. Coincidence? \0/

By unfairly pursuing City, the PL have inadvertently killed the goose that lays their gold eggs. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Whatever will be will be, but after initially being calm over the situation, then extremely worried, I've taken proper stock & now I'm very relaxed about the whole matter. Our owner & Khaldoon have got this.

Man City and the Premier League agree date for trial https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12809173/Man-City-Premier-League-agree-date-tribunal-financial-rule-break-charges.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

I would've thought that a bunch of malicious and totally unsubstantiated charges, trumped up by a powerful clique of commercial rivals, in order to legitimise a "show trial" of Manchester City, aided and abetted by a hand picked, weak and spineless Premier league Chief Executive, would be a no-brainer for an independent regulator.

Case dismissed.

 

[domalino]

Or why Liverpool hacking our scouting database is time barred.
“It happened a long time ago”
Computer Hacking is surely a serious crime and happened after 09/10
Call me sceptical but it seems the premier league are picking and choosing what they are enforcing.

If city wanted to take the illegal data access allegation to the PL, FA or police they could have done so when they discovered it.

Instead the club thought it was better to cover it up and get £1m off Liverpool.

If this happened between 2 random clubs, I don’t believe you’d have any sympathy with the club who happily entered a secret coverup for money and then 10 years later saying they change their mind and want a sporting punishment now.

It’s become the forums’ new version of challenging the legality of FFP, which the club would have done at any point in the last 15 years if they thought they (a) wanted to overturn ffp or (b) thought they had a case.

 

[I'm Blue]

If city wanted to take the illegal data access allegation to the PL, FA or police they could have done so when they discovered it.

Instead the club thought it was better to cover it up and get £1m off Liverpool.

If this happened between 2 random clubs, I don’t believe you’d have any sympathy with the club who happily entered a secret coverup for money and then 10 years later saying they change their mind and want a sporting punishment now.

It’s become the forums’ new version of challenging the legality of FFP, which the club would have done at any point in the last 15 years if they thought they (a) wanted to overturn ffp or (b) thought they had a case.

I didn't understand why we chose to accept a payment, especially such a small amount.
But regardless of any payment or agreement between City and liverpool the premier league should be charging them for breaking the rules.
What City or liverpool think shouldn't come into it.
Now just imagine we break a rule and decide to pay our way out of it.
Does anyone seriously think the premier league wouldn't do anything?
They'd be on us like flies round shit.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I didn't understand why we chose to accept a payment, especially such a small amount.
But regardless of any payment or agreement between City and liverpool the premier league should be charging them for breaking the rules.
What City or liverpool think shouldn't come into it.
Now just imagine we break a rule and decide to pay our way out of it.
Does anyone seriously think the premier league wouldn't do anything?
They'd be on us like flies round shit.

I thought it was the PL who brokered the deal to settle and keep it out of the public domain to protect the PL brand. Later, it was then referred to the FA who basically turned it away as it had already been dealt with.

Swept under the carpet with limited reporting.

 

[domalino]

I didn't understand why we chose to accept a payment, especially such a small amount.
But regardless of any payment or agreement between City and liverpool the premier league should be charging them for breaking the rules.
What City or liverpool think shouldn't come into it.
Now just imagine we break a rule and decide to pay our way out of it.
Does anyone seriously think the premier league wouldn't do anything?
They'd be on us like flies round shit.

So now we've simultaneously got people arguing the PL can't prosecute us because statute of limitations has expired AND that there should be no statute of limitations against other clubs if they do something wrong.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So now we've simultaneously got people arguing the PL can't prosecute us because statute of limitations has expired AND that there should be no statute of limitations against other clubs if they do something wrong.

We should just go nuclear and vaporise both Liverpool and the Premier League at the same time.

Then we should ban every journalist from entering our stadium or CFA site.

 

[jaiguruKun]

This is all so confusing :)

Doesn't the discovery of the emails play a part rather than when the alleged breaches happened? Charged in 2023, so any breaches discovered after 2017 (ie all of them) are allowable?

No it runs from the date of the alleged breaches unless there has been deliberate concealment

 

[johnnytapia]

Had a mate who got married on 29th February. Great shout tbf!

I’ve a mate who dated a girl whose birthday was 29th February. (Inset various, highly inappropriate references to under-age sex here).

 

[johnnytapia]

So now we've simultaneously got people arguing the PL can't prosecute us because statute of limitations has expired AND that there should be no statute of limitations against other clubs if they do something wrong.

Cakeism.