PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Damanino]

we often forget that side of things when they announced the charges they were hoping to wreck our season. potentially piss off Pep, some players, their agents to ask club for details potentially engineer moves away.

none of this happened, on the contrary it motivated us to a treble, I am sure Pep managed to use this to our advantage in a way of pumping up the players "listen, they say we cheated we didnt earn all those trophies, lets make sure we go out to the pitch and show them what we are made of".

it doesnt take away from the fact they wanted to wreck us. announce it just before CL knock out stages started and were couple points behind Arse in the PL.

of course the corrupt media also didnt like that the charges actually made us stronger on the pith funnily hence the almost unbearable line of articles against City mainly with the attitude "why is the delay to announce the guilt of City" and even for that City is responsible of course as we did no cooperate and slowing down the investigation.

 

[Iassel]

I'm not buying that. As I said earlier a £5 Billion +.Business could be ruined aswel as countless individuals reputations by just these Three people with no chance of any appeal.

Not having it.

It’s literally happening right now to Everton who are going to be relegated, lose their new investors and quite probably end up in administration based upon the ruling of 6 people (IC + appeals board) with no chance of appeal outside the prescribed PL processes.

Of course it’s perfectly acceptable and understandable to wish there was a separate recourse available, but that’s not reality - so long as the IC and Appeals IC don’t enact a kangaroo court and openly ignore cogent submissions, which won’t happen, the appeals route ends there.

 

[Bez]

Not sure when they charged us the envisaged us winning all 5 major trophies on offer thus becoming the most successful side in English football history in one season ! Will certainly harm the Premier League and its officials in they find us guilty as it took them from 2011to 2023 to find these so called breaches !

The PL have been a total shambles whilst we have gone from strength to strength during 2023. Long may it continue.

 

[bluenova]

Been plotting out all the fingers that Mansour has in various pies as it relates to football

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As you can see he has a partnership with RedBird with his IMI company not sure if it’s RedBird IMI who has shared in Fenway though

I think it's Redbird that invests in Fenway, Toulouse and AC Milan.

 

[inchy14]

It’s literally happening right now to Everton who are going to be relegated, lose their new investors and quite probably end up in administration based upon the ruling of 6 people (IC + appeals board) with no chance of appeal outside the prescribed PL processes.

Of course it’s perfectly acceptable and understandable to wish there was a separate recourse available, but that’s not reality - so long as the IC and Appeals IC don’t enact a kangaroo court and openly ignore cogent submissions, which won’t happen, the appeals route ends there.

Everton have admitted they broke the rules, they’re appealing the sentence nothing else. Absolutely fuck all like OUR case.

 

[Chappie]

It’s literally happening right now to Everton who are going to be relegated, lose their new investors and quite probably end up in administration based upon the ruling of 6 people (IC + appeals board) with no chance of appeal outside the prescribed PL processes.

Of course it’s perfectly acceptable and understandable to wish there was a separate recourse available, but that’s not reality - so long as the IC and Appeals IC don’t enact a kangaroo court and openly ignore cogent submissions, which won’t happen, the appeals route ends there.

If you can't see the 2 cases are totally different you are not very good .
Everton, have admitted their wrongdoing and no one has inferred fraud in relation to them.
However people on here wish to dress up the allegations against City, the premier league officials and their coherts are inferring fraud has taken place.
They will not be able to get away with, the balance of probability, and hide behind their private members rules.
Our owners will see to that.
Either they find irrefutable evidence or we walk away with no case to answer.
This time their will be no, none-cooperation charge accepted.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

It’s literally happening right now to Everton who are going to be relegated, lose their new investors and quite probably end up in administration based upon the ruling of 6 people (IC + appeals board) with no chance of appeal outside the prescribed PL processes.

Of course it’s perfectly acceptable and understandable to wish there was a separate recourse available, but that’s not reality - so long as the IC and Appeals IC don’t enact a kangaroo court and openly ignore cogent submissions, which won’t happen, the appeals route ends there.

Except there is of course separate recourse. Indictated by just how cautious the PL are about even discussing it. They can find as they may - that's true, but we can then take legal action if it isn't factually and legally watertight and is unfair, onerous and detrimental as a result - under various legal approaches. Oh and why are you going on about Everton?

 

[Metalartin]

I don't think it's the same thing:

When a club has admitted wrong doing but are asking for exemptions due to mitigating circumstances.

vs

A scenario where the PL and their independent commission were to say allegations are proven yet the defendant club strongly dispute the findings because the PL have in no way proven their allegations to a comfortable satisfaction, in accordance with English law.

Who would check that out, to say who is right or wrong? Another PL chosen commission...

That's the problem a lot of people are seeing but we haven't crossed that bridge yet and maybe we'll never have to. We've all been burned by the farce of UEFA and their CFCB independent panel of adjudicators. It's not an unreasonable position to hold in that respect but perhaps we do need to wait and see first a little bit.

I know a lot of the law experts are saying we shouldn't be worried about that at all but they haven't really given any compelling reasons other than 'these are professional people, with big reputations to uphold' type arguments. If you knew there was no way the club could challenge your decision and expose your lack of due process in the courts, then you'd not consider it that much of a risk though, right? Even the CFCB knowing CAS could show them up, still gave the verdict they gave.

Edit: Ah I see everyone else is just as bored of that Everton comparison being made.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

I'm not a legal expert like some on here;-) but if City do offer the irrefutable evidence they say they have and this irrefutable evidence explains and shows City have done everything right and the IC ignore this and deliver a guilty verdict anyway (kangaroo court anyone).
Would this not be grounds for appeal as the IC have ignored compelling evidence. I will take my bar exam tonight on my bar stool at the pub, if I'm right.

Of course it would. I think many are approaching this question of appeal from the wrong end The IC is not a judicial body and it does not have any right to deny an appeal to a court. A properly constituted court may deny an appeal if it is not based on solid grounds eg a perverse judgement. If City were found guilty of the charges which involve deception, disguising owner investment as sponsorship, or anything which might be fraudulent then the court of appeal would listen to the grounds on which the appeal was made and decide whether the grounds are valid and the appeal is to be considered. Finally a ruling on the outcome is given. As I have said previously grounds for appeal may be that the IC cannot say something which is criminal conduct is not and thus evade the watchful eye of the courts and that the IC has no right whatsoever to pronounce on matters involving the criminal law, which is the province of the courts and only the courts.

This is the vital difference with the Everton case: there is no question of criminal conduct (that we know of anyway) but of infringing only the PL's rules. Everton could, I believe, "appeal" to the IC on the grounds that the PL's rules are not consistent with UK competition law and if/when this contention is rejected they could appeal to the courts. That might be interesting.

Best of luck in your bar exam!

 

[Dribble]

I do understand where you’re coming from and it makes the whole situation farcical.

“We’re not saying you’re guilty of armed robbery. But we are accusing you of walking into a bank, pointing a gun at the teller and leaving with a suitcase full of cash”.

You would certainly hope that, even if the PL claim we have merely broken their rules rather than committed fraud, an experienced KC would view the two things as being one and the same and demand a level of evidence appropriate for it.

Nail on the head...