Prestwich_Blue
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if it's as wide of the mark as a Darwin Nunez goal attempt.
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PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules
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halfcenturyup
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I genuinely don't think the Prem are out to "get" us.
In my opinion, the PL have found some kind of smoke regarding the things named (Mancini, Etisalat, player wages etc) and they've rightfully done their due diligence.
However the club refused to cooperate with any investigation. Therefore the PL has reason to believe we're cheating and has no proof that we aren't.
There is no way in hell the businessmen running the club would let it go this far of they didn't have the evidence they needed to exonerate us. If we get proved guilty of everything, it absolutely destroys the clubs standing in football. And I mean actual football, not dickheads who live on Twitter or spend 8 hours a day in front of their podcasting equipment.
I believe we'll take a heavy fine for the non-cooperation and the club are prepared for that as collateral damage.
The PL let it stew too long from the announcement and we're going to let them take the fall for that.
This is why I don't understand what the PL is doing. CAS was unequivocal about the emails not being enough evidence and City provided the follow ups that proved their innocence or CAS would have ruled for UEFA. So the PL reacts to this by bringing a massive fraud case against City and doesn't appear to have any more evidence than UEFA did. Mind-boggling and seems destined for massive failure unless the commission is inclined to rule against City.
A couple of additional points, all imho:
The club says it has co-operated, but the PL says the club hasn't. So, clearly there is a difference between what the PL wanted and what the club provided. I am tending to go with the club that, after the court decision, they provided everything they had to. That implies to me that they didn't provide all the third party evidence that scuppered the UEFA case (because the PL has no right to require information from third parties - note the PL changed the rule on providing third party information during the investigation), leaving the PL in a quandary. Do they close the investigation due to a lack of evidence, or continue knowing (from CAS) the sort of counter-evidence that the club will provide to the panel.
They choose to continue. Why? Who knows. Pressure to drag the process out? Sheer cussedness? A professional responsibility to get the bottom of everything?
I have said before. If this is what has happened, the club has played a blinder and the PL has no winning strategy.
r.soleofsalford
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A couple of additional points, all imho:
The club says it has co-operated, but the PL says the club hasn't. So, clearly there is a difference between what the PL wanted and what the club provided. I am tending to go with the club that, after the court decision, they provided everything they had to. That implies to me that they didn't provide all the third party evidence that scuppered the UEFA case (because the PL has no right to require information from third parties - note the PL changed the rule on providing third party information during the investigation), leaving the PL in a quandary. Do they close the investigation due to a lack of evidence, or continue knowing (from CAS) the sort of counter-evidence that the club will provide to the panel.
They choose to continue. Why? Who knows. Pressure to drag the process out? Sheer cussedness? A professional responsibility to get the bottom of everything.
I have said before. If this is what has happened, the club has played a blinder and the PL has no winning strategy.
Certainly seems like it
jamielowndes
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Perfectly stated. The club has done what they believe is required and doesn't see fit to do anything else, and is perfectly happy to let it play out. If your opponent is going to defeat themselves, why bother making the effort?A couple of additional points, all imho:
The club says it has co-operated, but the PL says the club hasn't. So, clearly there is a difference between what the PL wanted and what the club provided. I am tending to go with the club that, after the court decision, they provided everything they had to. That implies to me that they didn't provide all the third party evidence that scuppered the UEFA case (because the PL has no right to require information from third parties - note the PL changed the rule on providing third party information during the investigation), leaving the PL in a quandary. Do they close the investigation due to a lack of evidence, or continue knowing (from CAS) the sort of counter-evidence that the club will provide to the panel.
They choose to continue. Why? Who knows. Pressure to drag the process out? Sheer cussedness? A professional responsibility to get the bottom of everything?
I have said before. If this is what has happened, the club has played a blinder and the PL has no winning strategy.
If the PL doesn't have stone cold evidence of cheating (which I have no reason to believe they do) the club has played this perfectly. The Prem is under a lot of pressure thanks to letting the media narrative spin way out of control.
metalblue
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Why would we deserve what he get if it’s a stitch up
That’s why transparency in any outcome (favourable or otherwise) is important.
If we’re found guilty fair and square we deserve what we get. Although if we’re found guilty of non cooperation in this whole fiasco (which I suspect we will) then I’d not expect a punishment beyond a fine and maybe at worst a transfer ban for a window.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if it's as wide of the mark as a Darwin Nunez goal attempt.
Yeah, the people who think there is a secret underground cartel of all the other big clubs and the PL collaborating together to plot our downfall are the rational ones.
Newman Noggs
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Yeah, the people who think there is a secret underground cartel of all the other big clubs and the PL collaborating together to plot our downfall are the rational ones.
I don't think it's "secret" or "underground".
Prestwich_Blue
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Well you can add senior executives at City to that group.Yeah, the people who think there is a secret underground cartel of all the other big clubs and the PL collaborating together to plot our downfall are the rational ones.
Lord Blue
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In my opinion, the PL have found some kind of smoke regarding the things named (Mancini, Etisalat, player wages etc) and they've rightfully done their due diligence.
However the club refused to cooperate with any investigation. Therefore the PL has reason to believe we're cheating and has no proof that we aren't.
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They also have no proof that i don't spend my spare time hunting down Nazi sympathizers and raping them with an elephants cock, should i be worried about impending charges?
just for clarity I don't but i wouldn't say that there is an overwhelming body of evidence to show that
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Yeah, the people who think there is a secret underground cartel of all the other big clubs and the PL collaborating together to plot our downfall are the rational ones.
You think the PL have no politics around this, around the way City are being dealt with? It's all above board and is in fact our own fault because we didn't share information on the first place? I mean that's what you have implied so far. Is that really what you mean?