PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Greenandblue]

Not that it'll help when discussing with the mouth breathers, but let's just get all factual for a minute. Below are the net spend tables, last 5 seasons, and then since Pep came in, and then the last 10 seasons (20 transfer windows). All from transfermkt, so assuming the underlying data is broadly accurate.
In the last 5 seasons, we are 7th for net spend, FACT (going all Benetiz now).

"but you hide the true fees". Nonsense, buyer and seller agree the fee, City can't pretend it was different.
"But Pep spent millions on full backs when he arrived." Maybe, but based on net spend since he arrived, we are 3rd, and only €5.5 millon above Arsenal in 4th, or about 0.7%, neglibible.
"But you'd been spending wildly for years before that, allowing you to build up the squad". So go back 20 transfer windows, all players who were bought so long ago are well out of the system and irrelvant. We are second behind United, but only about 0.5% above Arsenal and 10% above Chelsea, negligible differences over a decade. And all back before we added another 7 PL titles, and tons of other trophies, so we were needing to over-pay to attract players back then.
"City have unlimited wealth, and have vastly outspent everybody else". That's simply not true (as if they'll care about the truth). United, Chelsea and Arsenal have spent more or similar, by any realistic test or timeframe. They just spent badly. At United, expensive world class players arrive to just disintegrate into a mess, At City, very good players become superstars.

These are the un-reported, un-mentionned, covered-up, actual facts. They don't suit the narrative, so you won't read them elsewhere to any great extent.
"But your wages are huge", well maybe but not massively greater than the rest of the top 5 (ex spurs). But guess what? If you win loads of things, your players will get bonuses. The others should actaully be more concerned with what they are paying players for losing...


Last 5 Seasons, 10 transfer windows.

#​	Club	Expenditure​	Arrivals​	Income​	Departures​	Balance​
1​	​	Chelsea FC	€1.51bn​	129​	€712.26m​	133​	€-796.09m​
2​	​	Manchester United	€908.18m​	85​	€213.77m​	86​	€-694.41m​
3​	​	Arsenal FC	€835.54m​	85​	€197.20m​	89​	€-638.34m​
4​	​	Tottenham Hotspur	€808.90m​	83​	€271.87m​	80​	€-537.03m​
5​	​	Newcastle United	€580.20m​	67​	€94.57m​	64​	€-485.63m​
6​	​	Aston Villa	€602.29m​	95​	€219.32m​	92​	€-382.97m​
7​	​	Manchester City	€896.72m​	120​	€516.77m​	121​	€-379.95m​
8​	​	West Ham United	€580.16m​	60​	€297.29m​	67​	€-282.87m​
9​	​	Liverpool FC	€498.75m​	69​	€236.15m​	68​	€-262.60m​
10​	​	Nottingham Forest	€355.73m​	143​	€122.20m​	148​	€-233.54m​

Pep’s Seasons

#​	Club	Expenditure​	Arrivals​	Income​	Departures​	Balance​
1​	​	Manchester United	€1.37bn​	115​	€337.07m​	119​	€-1,037.21m​
2​	​	Chelsea FC	€2.11bn​	226​	€1.10bn​	225​	€-1,011.44m​
3​	​	Manchester City	€1.51bn​	201​	€701.07m​	200​	€-807.99m​
4​	​	Arsenal FC	€1.18bn​	123​	€379.05m​	129​	€-802.49m​
5​	​	Tottenham Hotspur	€1.01bn​	110​	€433.32m​	104​	€-580.08m​
6​	​	Newcastle United	€750.70m​	140​	€267.72m​	142​	€-482.98m​
7​	​	Aston Villa	€709.69m​	160​	€299.10m​	161​	€-410.59m​
8​	​	West Ham United	€821.36m​	115​	€416.08m​	120​	€-405.29m​
9​	​	Liverpool FC	€934.50m​	121​	€547.35m​	123​	€-387.15m​
10​	​	Wolverhampton Wanderers	€680.46m​	232​	€399.78m​	238​	€-280.68m​

Last 10 seasons, 20 transfer windows.

#​	Club	Expenditure​	Arrivals​	Income​	Departures​	Balance​
1​	​	Manchester United	€1.73bn​	161​	€484.44m​	165​	€-1,241.19m​
2​	​	Manchester City	€1.82bn​	237​	€798.80m​	241​	€-1,021.52m​
3​	​	Chelsea FC	€2.34bn​	307​	€1.33bn​	310​	€-1,015.34m​
4​	​	Arsenal FC	€1.33bn​	156​	€409.35m​	163​	€-917.67m​
5​	​	Newcastle United	€903.63m​	189​	€297.02m​	190​	€-606.61m​
6​	​	Tottenham Hotspur	€1.13bn​	141​	€564.72m​	149​	€-568.16m​
7​	​	Liverpool FC	€1.21bn​	170​	€737.17m​	168​	€-475.26m​
8​	​	West Ham United	€909.21m​	165​	€438.99m​	172​	€-470.22m​
9​	​	Aston Villa	€789.69m​	218​	€365.12m​	225​	€-424.58m​
10​	​	Crystal Palace	€459.04m​	169​	€142.65m​	179​	€-316.39m​

 

[Suffolk Blue]

Hope this works as I am still learning how to use archive.ph

Thank you for sharing, a great article from behind the scenes

 

[citymad]

How Man City climbed the mountain to make Premier League history

Pep Guardiola’s genius, his vast support network and players stepping up inspired club to a historic fourth league title in a row, sealed with a 3-1 victory over West Ham United

www.thetimes.co.uk

Really interesting....

A fantastic read that, masterpiece. Yes he mentioned the legal stuff very very briefly at the end but at least he put the word allegedly.

 

[oldius]

https://archive.ph/2024.05.19-172136/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sport/football/article/how-man-city-became-premier-league-champions-result-9zrj8b2bg

Great stuff. Thanks for posting.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

That’s for certain & he should be. There’s a reason it happened on his watch rather than Scudamore.

What I’d like to see is an inquiry where the likes of Parry, Masters, Levy along with journalists who broke the stories being fucking grilled.

Gill.....Gill....Gill...Henry....Henry...Henry....

 

[Gazza]

https://archive.ph/2024.05.19-172136/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sport/football/article/how-man-city-became-premier-league-champions-result-9zrj8b2bg

"Oscar Bobb takes everything in like a sponge" - Spongebob?

 

[supercity88]

If you speak to opposition fans, you'll very quickly find out that most of them aren't aware the financial charges end in 2018, and those that do are operating on the assumption that anything we were doing from 2010-2018 has carried on and we're still cheating now which is why we were charged with non-coop for 2018-2023, which is why they think it effects Pep's side.

Spot on. An Arsenal fan was going on about this to me the other day. I told him the non-cooperation charge relates to the PL asking us to stop winning and us refusing to do so.

 

[lasereyes]

The thing is if we are not found guilty, these cunts will find something in the verdict to spin for their own narrative and say it doesn't mean we're not actually guilty, something they can spin as a "technicality" rather than innocence.

That's why I don't pay them any mind. You can see through them easily and it kills them to give us any credit without a "but" after it.

Yes but the public aren't completely dumb. They know when they're being sold a crock. Obviously Scum, Scouser and maybe Gooner fans will desperately persist with the narrative as it's the only way they get through the night. But the average fan will see a token fine for what it is. If we get a point deduction, that may change things a bit, but the bar for that is clearly higher - it can't be a technicality

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

If you speak to opposition fans, you'll very quickly find out that most of them aren't aware the financial charges end in 2018, and those that do are operating on the assumption that anything we were doing from 2010-2018 has carried on and we're still cheating now which is why we were charged with non-coop for 2018-2023, which is why they think it effects Pep's side.

Seems very true to me that. I think that aspect has confused the media too. They want to talk about how our present day achivements could be built upon past illegal activity.

But that means then they are telling people that the accusations only run up to 2018. And thats not a popular message for clickbaiting.

 

[City Raider]

https://archive.ph/2024.05.19-172136/https://www.thetimes.co.uk/sport/football/article/how-man-city-became-premier-league-champions-result-9zrj8b2bg

Rodri, Haaland and De Bruyne only started 3 league games together. This might be the best title win yet.