How important is the amount tho as the accounts would still be wrong and the true nature of everything not reported to the premier league ?
The problem is that the majority of fans from opposing teams believe it’s true.. that’s permanent damage as they’ll never believe we’re not guilty even if they find in our favour over 115It's called grasping at straws.
But that is no different to the way we feel and what we continue to believe about them. It's what fans doThe problem is that the majority of fans from opposing teams believe it’s true.. that’s permanent damage as they’ll never believe we’re not guilty even if they find in our favour over 115
My point is that ever since the charges were brought we’ve been guilty.. always will beBut that is no different to the way we feel and what we continue to believe about them. It's what fans do
this is often forgotten about and it's also why I'm confident with it all. They clearly didn't have a clue what they were charging us with and attempted to restrospectively apply new rules to past seasons. When the corrected charge sheet came out it must have dawned on them that they were up shit creek without a paddle.The poorly drafted initial letter from the PL bringing the charges was evidence to me that they hadn't spent a lot of time on the matter and had just hastily pulled something together. The looming announcement about an independent football regulator might have had something to do with that.
A call from Mr Levy and his pals to say "we are going to have to back this IFR if you don't take action" was probably enough to provoke it.
The only doubt I have ever had is simply down to the 2-1 vote from CAS. That shows we don't have irrefutable evidence and that UEFA did convince one judge to agree with their case, and we failed to convince them otherwise.
Will it be possible for the PL to twist that 2-1 in their favour? Probably not, but it has been the only nagging doubt I have had.
What I would say, is the fact CAS did ultimately clear us is substantial evidence at our PL hearing. Judges don't tend to undermine one another, so they would need a lot more convincing to shift positions on matters CAS were ultimately comfortable with....not sure what your thoughts are on this?
and my point is all fanbases do exactly the same. We all believe everything bad about the others, whether there is proof or notMy point is that ever since the charges were brought we’ve been guilty.. always will be
In everybody’s eyes
Red Cartels aim all alongMy point is that ever since the charges were brought we’ve been guilty.. always will be
In everybody’s eyes
I always smile to myself about this. If Newcastle were champions and we’d been taken over by Ray Ranson we’d be screaming on here day in day out about cheating and sportswashing.and my point is all fanbases do exactly the same. We all believe everything bad about the others, whether there is proof or not
With the ones upset about what other fans think being the ones who would be shouting it the loudest.I always smile to myself about this. If Newcastle were champions and we’d been taken over by Ray Ranson we’d be screaming on here day in day out about cheating and sportswashing.
If they were stopping the rags from winning stuff I'm sure we would have coped.I always smile to myself about this. If Newcastle were champions and we’d been taken over by Ray Ranson we’d be screaming on here day in day out about cheating and sportswashing.
...but if they were stopping us...If they were stopping the rags from winning stuff I'm sure we would have coped.
If Ray Ranson took over I dont think we would have been too bothered with Newcastle stopping us....but if they were stopping us...
I always smile to myself about this. If Newcastle were champions and we’d been taken over by Ray Ranson we’d be screaming on here day in day out about cheating and sportswashing.
It's not a problem for me fuck em. Haters are always going to hate.The problem is that the majority of fans from opposing teams believe it’s true.. that’s permanent damage as they’ll never believe we’re not guilty even if they find in our favour over 115
No.Any chance of an announcement today?
The poorly drafted initial letter from the PL bringing the charges was evidence to me that they hadn't spent a lot of time on the matter and had just hastily pulled something together. The looming announcement about an independent football regulator might have had something to do with that.
A call from Mr Levy and his pals to say "we are going to have to back this IFR if you don't take action" was probably enough to provoke it.
The only doubt I have ever had is simply down to the 2-1 vote from CAS. That shows we don't have irrefutable evidence and that UEFA did convince one judge to agree with their case, and we failed to convince them otherwise.
Will it be possible for the PL to twist that 2-1 in their favour? Probably not, but it has been the only nagging doubt I have had.
What I would say, is the fact CAS did ultimately clear us is substantial evidence at our PL hearing. Judges don't tend to undermine one another, so they would need a lot more convincing to shift positions on matters CAS were ultimately comfortable with....not sure what your thoughts are on this?
Any chance of an announcement today?
That’s different though. Chelsea just ripped up the rule book whereas we are accused of cheating with the 115.I'm not sure - maybe some would. In fact, I remember being really jealous and wishing it had happened to us!
I never had a bad word to say about Chelsea when they were taken over, meanwhile United, Arsenal & Liverpool fans were screaming blue murder.
When SWP went to Chelsea most City fans were upset but also understood the club's position and how it was a big step of for SWP in reality. I don't recall any City fans being upset about 'the money' and holding it against Chelsea.
I'm sure some of our softened position though came from Chelsea becoming competition for the rags!