PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Oldham Exile said:
Ooops - this is in danger of becoming an alternative scum thread - and I reconise that I am contributing to that - so last one of this type.

I was reading their thread and was taken by this 'specialist'

Here's us thinking that we are well served by Slbsn and Prestwich Blue - but the rags seem to have someone to trump them in specialist knowledge..................


  • Yesterday at 18:39

  • Garnacho's Shoelaces​

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    Their guilt is an inevitability at this stage. City have invested huge resources into delay tactics rather than fighting the claims. The timeline was posted earlier in this thread but essentially the hearing could have been completed over 3 years ago.

    Kicking the can down the road isn't the action of an entity believing they can defend their actions. Let's not forget this is a civil matter too. The EPL need to prove City probably broke their rules. They have to prove it is more likely, than not, the allegations occured.

    Once proven, I suspect City are in for a decade of legal issues. There are the criminal issues. False accounting (Section 17 Theft Act 1968) seems nailed on for the high level executives. Concealing criminal property (Section 327 POCA 2000) which is effectively money laundering. Then you have the fact this is effectively a complex fraud (resists making a Fraudiola reference). City have repeatedly made false representations from which they gained, and others were exposed to a risk of loss (Section 2 Fraud Act 2006). The most appropriate primacy for the investigation is likely the National Crime Agency (NCA) and Serious Fraud Office (SFO). That'll take a few years to unpick I suspect, a few convictions coming out of that. Custody threshold definitely passed when considering the societal importance of sport and the reputational damage to one of our biggest global exports.

    Then all the civil stuff will begin. Every time City have finished ahead of another team, they've cost each team ~£1m in finishing position prize money. Years they've won, that's £19m. Second, £18m, etc. 15 years of it going to be around £200m. Then you have teams being relegated because City were cheating to stay in the league. Then the teams losing out on Champions League, Europa League and Conference League football because of a cheating team finishing ahead. The sponsorship implications of those losses. City have probably cost other teams around £750-1bn in lost revenues, just on those factors alone.

    In short, I'd expect a couple of decent prison sentences for the coordinators of the conspiracy to defraud and financial ruin for City but likely playing out until 2035.
Fuck this guy seems such a ??????

Well I guess proper whopper covers it

But it does reflect just how many people are out there desperate for confirmation of our doom - they eat this shit up and regurgitate it

Bunch of cunts
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From Twitter Jan Aage Fjortoft

Aren't many of you soon tired of writing "115" to everyone who writes something about Manchester City?

Now in September, the hearing finally starts. Then we have to wait until the decision comes. To speak out now in a very difficult legal matter is, in my opinion, frivolous. I will wait until the decision is made.

CAS has cleared Manchester City once. This case now also has other elements, but don't pretend you understand all the legal elements.
I await the conclusion of those who will decide this. And then we take it from there
 
blueyorkie said:
From Twitter Jan Aage Fjortoft

Aren't many of you soon tired of writing "115" to everyone who writes something about Manchester City?

Now in September, the hearing finally starts. Then we have to wait until the decision comes. To speak out now in a very difficult legal matter is, in my opinion, frivolous. I will wait until the decision is made.

CAS has cleared Manchester City once. This case now also has other elements, but don't pretend you understand all the legal elements.
I await the conclusion of those who will decide this. And then we take it from there
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Sounds like a sensible chap.
 
Oldham Exile said:
Ooops - this is in danger of becoming an alternative scum thread - and I reconise that I am contributing to that - so last one of this type.

I was reading their thread and was taken by this 'specialist'

Here's us thinking that we are well served by Slbsn and Prestwich Blue - but the rags seem to have someone to trump them in specialist knowledge..................


  • Yesterday at 18:39

  • Garnacho's Shoelaces​

    New Member​

    Newbie
    Joined Nov 6, 2022Messages 941Location In Garnacho's boots but untied

    Their guilt is an inevitability at this stage. City have invested huge resources into delay tactics rather than fighting the claims. The timeline was posted earlier in this thread but essentially the hearing could have been completed over 3 years ago.

    Kicking the can down the road isn't the action of an entity believing they can defend their actions. Let's not forget this is a civil matter too. The EPL need to prove City probably broke their rules. They have to prove it is more likely, than not, the allegations occured.

    Once proven, I suspect City are in for a decade of legal issues. There are the criminal issues. False accounting (Section 17 Theft Act 1968) seems nailed on for the high level executives. Concealing criminal property (Section 327 POCA 2000) which is effectively money laundering. Then you have the fact this is effectively a complex fraud (resists making a Fraudiola reference). City have repeatedly made false representations from which they gained, and others were exposed to a risk of loss (Section 2 Fraud Act 2006). The most appropriate primacy for the investigation is likely the National Crime Agency (NCA) and Serious Fraud Office (SFO). That'll take a few years to unpick I suspect, a few convictions coming out of that. Custody threshold definitely passed when considering the societal importance of sport and the reputational damage to one of our biggest global exports.

    Then all the civil stuff will begin. Every time City have finished ahead of another team, they've cost each team ~£1m in finishing position prize money. Years they've won, that's £19m. Second, £18m, etc. 15 years of it going to be around £200m. Then you have teams being relegated because City were cheating to stay in the league. Then the teams losing out on Champions League, Europa League and Conference League football because of a cheating team finishing ahead. The sponsorship implications of those losses. City have probably cost other teams around £750-1bn in lost revenues, just on those factors alone.

    In short, I'd expect a couple of decent prison sentences for the coordinators of the conspiracy to defraud and financial ruin for City but likely playing out until 2035.
Fuck this guy seems such a ??????

Well I guess proper whopper covers it

But it does reflect just how many people are out there desperate for confirmation of our doom - they eat this shit up and regurgitate it

Bunch of cunts
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Did the daft **** mention the £40m the cunts got for Covid that nobody else got? Did he mention the £35m bullshit allowance for share dealing costs? Both of which were invented to get them through PSR? Course he didn’t. Did he mention the cunts failing FFP? Course not
 
blueyorkie said:
From Twitter Jan Aage Fjortoft

Aren't many of you soon tired of writing "115" to everyone who writes something about Manchester City?

Now in September, the hearing finally starts. Then we have to wait until the decision comes. To speak out now in a very difficult legal matter is, in my opinion, frivolous. I will wait until the decision is made.

CAS has cleared Manchester City once. This case now also has other elements, but don't pretend you understand all the legal elements.
I await the conclusion of those who will decide this. And then we take it from there
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It is common sense. But these days common sense is pretty uncommon.
 
Oldham Exile said:
Ooops - this is in danger of becoming an alternative scum thread - and I reconise that I am contributing to that - so last one of this type.

I was reading their thread and was taken by this 'specialist'

Here's us thinking that we are well served by Slbsn and Prestwich Blue - but the rags seem to have someone to trump them in specialist knowledge..................


  • Yesterday at 18:39

  • Garnacho's Shoelaces​

    New Member​

    Newbie
    Joined Nov 6, 2022Messages 941Location In Garnacho's boots but untied

    Their guilt is an inevitability at this stage. City have invested huge resources into delay tactics rather than fighting the claims. The timeline was posted earlier in this thread but essentially the hearing could have been completed over 3 years ago.

    Kicking the can down the road isn't the action of an entity believing they can defend their actions. Let's not forget this is a civil matter too. The EPL need to prove City probably broke their rules. They have to prove it is more likely, than not, the allegations occured.

    Once proven, I suspect City are in for a decade of legal issues. There are the criminal issues. False accounting (Section 17 Theft Act 1968) seems nailed on for the high level executives. Concealing criminal property (Section 327 POCA 2000) which is effectively money laundering. Then you have the fact this is effectively a complex fraud (resists making a Fraudiola reference). City have repeatedly made false representations from which they gained, and others were exposed to a risk of loss (Section 2 Fraud Act 2006). The most appropriate primacy for the investigation is likely the National Crime Agency (NCA) and Serious Fraud Office (SFO). That'll take a few years to unpick I suspect, a few convictions coming out of that. Custody threshold definitely passed when considering the societal importance of sport and the reputational damage to one of our biggest global exports.

    Then all the civil stuff will begin. Every time City have finished ahead of another team, they've cost each team ~£1m in finishing position prize money. Years they've won, that's £19m. Second, £18m, etc. 15 years of it going to be around £200m. Then you have teams being relegated because City were cheating to stay in the league. Then the teams losing out on Champions League, Europa League and Conference League football because of a cheating team finishing ahead. The sponsorship implications of those losses. City have probably cost other teams around £750-1bn in lost revenues, just on those factors alone.

    In short, I'd expect a couple of decent prison sentences for the coordinators of the conspiracy to defraud and financial ruin for City but likely playing out until 2035.
Fuck this guy seems such a ??????

Well I guess proper whopper covers it

But it does reflect just how many people are out there desperate for confirmation of our doom - they eat this shit up and regurgitate it

Bunch of cunts
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Oldham Exile said:
Ooops - this is in danger of becoming an alternative scum thread - and I reconise that I am contributing to that - so last one of this type.

I was reading their thread and was taken by this 'specialist'

Here's us thinking that we are well served by Slbsn and Prestwich Blue - but the rags seem to have someone to trump them in specialist knowledge..................


  • Yesterday at 18:39

  • Garnacho's Shoelaces​

    New Member​

    Newbie
    Joined Nov 6, 2022Messages 941Location In Garnacho's boots but untied

    Their guilt is an inevitability at this stage. City have invested huge resources into delay tactics rather than fighting the claims. The timeline was posted earlier in this thread but essentially the hearing could have been completed over 3 years ago.

    Kicking the can down the road isn't the action of an entity believing they can defend their actions. Let's not forget this is a civil matter too. The EPL need to prove City probably broke their rules. They have to prove it is more likely, than not, the allegations occured.

    Once proven, I suspect City are in for a decade of legal issues. There are the criminal issues. False accounting (Section 17 Theft Act 1968) seems nailed on for the high level executives. Concealing criminal property (Section 327 POCA 2000) which is effectively money laundering. Then you have the fact this is effectively a complex fraud (resists making a Fraudiola reference). City have repeatedly made false representations from which they gained, and others were exposed to a risk of loss (Section 2 Fraud Act 2006). The most appropriate primacy for the investigation is likely the National Crime Agency (NCA) and Serious Fraud Office (SFO). That'll take a few years to unpick I suspect, a few convictions coming out of that. Custody threshold definitely passed when considering the societal importance of sport and the reputational damage to one of our biggest global exports.

    Then all the civil stuff will begin. Every time City have finished ahead of another team, they've cost each team ~£1m in finishing position prize money. Years they've won, that's £19m. Second, £18m, etc. 15 years of it going to be around £200m. Then you have teams being relegated because City were cheating to stay in the league. Then the teams losing out on Champions League, Europa League and Conference League football because of a cheating team finishing ahead. The sponsorship implications of those losses. City have probably cost other teams around £750-1bn in lost revenues, just on those factors alone.

    In short, I'd expect a couple of decent prison sentences for the coordinators of the conspiracy to defraud and financial ruin for City but likely playing out until 2035.
Fuck this guy seems such a ??????

Well I guess proper whopper covers it

But it does reflect just how many people are out there desperate for confirmation of our doom - they eat this shit up and regurgitate it

Bunch of cunts
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I imagine the next 2 replies were…….

“But how do you know they are guilty?”

“Everyone knows……”
 
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