PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[cheekybids]

Ooops - this is in danger of becoming an alternative scum thread - and I reconise that I am contributing to that - so last one of this type.

I was reading their thread and was taken by this 'specialist'

Here's us thinking that we are well served by Slbsn and Prestwich Blue - but the rags seem to have someone to trump them in specialist knowledge..................

• Yesterday at 18:39

• Garnacho's Shoelaces​

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  Their guilt is an inevitability at this stage. City have invested huge resources into delay tactics rather than fighting the claims. The timeline was posted earlier in this thread but essentially the hearing could have been completed over 3 years ago.
  
  Kicking the can down the road isn't the action of an entity believing they can defend their actions. Let's not forget this is a civil matter too. The EPL need to prove City probably broke their rules. They have to prove it is more likely, than not, the allegations occured.
  
  Once proven, I suspect City are in for a decade of legal issues. There are the criminal issues. False accounting (Section 17 Theft Act 1968) seems nailed on for the high level executives. Concealing criminal property (Section 327 POCA 2000) which is effectively money laundering. Then you have the fact this is effectively a complex fraud (resists making a Fraudiola reference). City have repeatedly made false representations from which they gained, and others were exposed to a risk of loss (Section 2 Fraud Act 2006). The most appropriate primacy for the investigation is likely the National Crime Agency (NCA) and Serious Fraud Office (SFO). That'll take a few years to unpick I suspect, a few convictions coming out of that. Custody threshold definitely passed when considering the societal importance of sport and the reputational damage to one of our biggest global exports.
  
  Then all the civil stuff will begin. Every time City have finished ahead of another team, they've cost each team ~£1m in finishing position prize money. Years they've won, that's £19m. Second, £18m, etc. 15 years of it going to be around £200m. Then you have teams being relegated because City were cheating to stay in the league. Then the teams losing out on Champions League, Europa League and Conference League football because of a cheating team finishing ahead. The sponsorship implications of those losses. City have probably cost other teams around £750-1bn in lost revenues, just on those factors alone.
  
  In short, I'd expect a couple of decent prison sentences for the coordinators of the conspiracy to defraud and financial ruin for City but likely playing out until 2035.

Fuck this guy seems such a ??????

Well I guess proper whopper covers it

But it does reflect just how many people are out there desperate for confirmation of our doom - they eat this shit up and regurgitate it

Bunch of cunts

I imagine the next 2 replies were…….

“But how do you know they are guilty?”

“Everyone knows……”

 

[burning blue soul]

Ooops - this is in danger of becoming an alternative scum thread - and I recognise that I am contributing to that - so last one of this type.

I was reading their thread and was taken by this 'specialist'

Here's us thinking that we are well served by Slbsn and Prestwich Blue - but the rags seem to have someone to trump them in specialist knowledge..................

• Yesterday at 18:39

• Garnacho's Shoelaces​

  New Member​

  Newbie
  Joined Nov 6, 2022Messages 941Location In Garnacho's boots but untied
  
  Their guilt is an inevitability at this stage. City have invested huge resources into delay tactics rather than fighting the claims. The timeline was posted earlier in this thread but essentially the hearing could have been completed over 3 years ago.
  
  Kicking the can down the road isn't the action of an entity believing they can defend their actions. Let's not forget this is a civil matter too. The EPL need to prove City probably broke their rules. They have to prove it is more likely, than not, the allegations occured.
  
  Once proven, I suspect City are in for a decade of legal issues. There are the criminal issues. False accounting (Section 17 Theft Act 1968) seems nailed on for the high level executives. Concealing criminal property (Section 327 POCA 2000) which is effectively money laundering. Then you have the fact this is effectively a complex fraud (resists making a Fraudiola reference). City have repeatedly made false representations from which they gained, and others were exposed to a risk of loss (Section 2 Fraud Act 2006). The most appropriate primacy for the investigation is likely the National Crime Agency (NCA) and Serious Fraud Office (SFO). That'll take a few years to unpick I suspect, a few convictions coming out of that. Custody threshold definitely passed when considering the societal importance of sport and the reputational damage to one of our biggest global exports.
  
  Then all the civil stuff will begin. Every time City have finished ahead of another team, they've cost each team ~£1m in finishing position prize money. Years they've won, that's £19m. Second, £18m, etc. 15 years of it going to be around £200m. Then you have teams being relegated because City were cheating to stay in the league. Then the teams losing out on Champions League, Europa League and Conference League football because of a cheating team finishing ahead. The sponsorship implications of those losses. City have probably cost other teams around £750-1bn in lost revenues, just on those factors alone.
  
  In short, I'd expect a couple of decent prison sentences for the coordinators of the conspiracy to defraud and financial ruin for City but likely playing out until 2035.

Fuck this guy seems such a ??????

Well I guess proper whopper covers it

But it does reflect just how many people are out there desperate for confirmation of our doom - they eat this shit up and regurgitate it

Bunch of cunts

If it all does pan out as this imbecile says, does he not realise his clubs CEO is also heading for Straneways?
Critical thinking gets lobbed from the 10th floor window when football fandom is involved. The last place you look for logic is on a rival fans website.

 

[burning blue soul]

Indeed it did. Loud and clear.

I prefer "clear and obvious" ;)

 

[Mancity1980]

Just checked this years PL odds. City 7/5 and Arsenal 9/5 for the title, sounds right.

Relegation Arsenal 2000/1, city 12/1???!!!

I suppose we could take those odds as the chances of losing the 115 charges!

 

[pirate]

Indeed it did. Loud and clear.

it did

 

[Francis Crawford]

Did the daft **** mention the £40m the cunts got for Covid that nobody else got? Did he mention the £35m bullshit allowance for share dealing costs? Both of which were invented to get them through PSR? Course he didn’t. Did he mention the cunts failing FFP? Course not

As for City ‘kicking the can down the road !’I seem to remember,and I stand to be corrected, that it was the premier league/cartel clubs ,that announced they was looking into these matters then waited over 4 years before hastily charging/accusing City of the 115 just before the government was to hear a bill about bringing an independent regulator in to football to run these matters ?
It was then Masters ,who is nothing more than a paid cartel clubs shill started stirring the pot in a feeble attempt to show the premier league had teeth and did not need regulation?

 

[halfcenturyup]

As for City ‘kicking the can down the road !’I seem to remember,and I stand to be corrected, that it was the premier league/cartel clubs ,that announced they was looking into these matters then waited over 4 years before hastily charging/accusing City of the 115 just before the government was to hear a bill about bringing an independent regulator in to football to run these matters ?
It was then Masters ,who is nothing more than a paid cartel clubs shill started stirring the pot in a feeble attempt to show the premier league had teeth and did not need regulation?

This view that City have been "kicking the can down the road", using "delaying tactics" and that it is somehow an indication of "guilt" is just a nonsense. When there is no trust between an investigator and an "investigatee" or as is now claimant and respondent, and allegations are as serious as this, you do whatever you can to make the process as inefficient and ineffective as possible, using as many weakness in their investigative requests, their rules and their allegations as you can. And, despite what Masters says, the relationship between club and league must be at a near breaking-point. The idea that, if you have nothing to hide, you should just fully cooperate fully or that, as Jordan says, the club should finish this quickly "for the good of the sport" (!) is naive in the extreme. Kindergarten logic.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

Just checked this years PL odds. City 7/5 and Arsenal 9/5 for the title, sounds right.

Relegation Arsenal 2000/1, city 12/1???!!!

I suppose we could take those odds as the chances of losing the 115 charges!

Make the odds look like there's a chance of relegation and droves of idiots chuck money at them.

Deluded hope/enticing odds etc. if we were 2000/1 they'd take nothing, making us 12's makes it seem possible and after all surely everyone knows we're guilty. A winning return must be guaranteed, hell it's almost free money.

A fantastic moneymaker for the bookies.

 

[M18CTID]

Did the daft **** mention the £40m the cunts got for Covid that nobody else got? Did he mention the £35m bullshit allowance for share dealing costs? Both of which were invented to get them through PSR? Course he didn’t. Did he mention the cunts failing FFP? Course not

I’m at the stage where I think that the more gullible twats on that site will literally believe anything regarding this topic, given the utter desperation of some on there for us to be found guilty. So much so that I bet if a City fan signed up - masquerading as a United fan - and posted some utterly outrageous “info” that makes even Garnacho Shoelaces’ post look sensible then the daft cunts would swallow it hook, line, and sinker due to them being so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy.

Not that I’m suggesting anyone should do that of course ;)

 

[Gazza]

Just checked this years PL odds. City 7/5 and Arsenal 9/5 for the title, sounds right.

Relegation Arsenal 2000/1, city 12/1???!!!

I suppose we could take those odds as the chances of losing the 115 charges!

If the bookies were that confident of us being found guilty and therefore relegated the price would be nowhere near 12/1.
I wonder how many of the 'They're obviously guilty' brigade are putting a bet on it?