PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Gundoggin]

The fact they are going us in the first place, they obviously think they have something on us.

PL bullish ?
I think they have dug their own grave !

 

[Silva2021]

Over the week I have mellowed a bit on this.

I absolutely hate all the grubby hands behind it, however I’m getting the feeling that we have not co-operated and tried to derail this wherever we can.

The PL rightly or wrongly started this investigation and over the 4 years and have nothing further to go on due to City providing nothing further.

We hoped with no evidence more then CAS, they would not gone with charges and they have not.

However, if that is the case the PL are not necessarily to blame.

It would be our legal advice or that we are comfortable of what would happen in this stage of the process.

Like everyone else, I would like a quick resolution but it seems unlikely.

We seem to be indicating years to resolve (subtle way of saying to PL, it’s going to cost you a lot).

 

[Manchester_lalala]

UEFA weren't disputing that Etihad paid MCFC, they were alleging that ADUG gave the money to Etihad to pay MCFC. This, apparently, would be part of a conspiracy to fraudulently increase sponsorship income at MCFC, presumably over and above what Etihad could have paid without the funds from ADUG.

Don't buy it myself, but I think that was the crux of it.

I’m now law expert, but do City or Etihad even have to prove that the funds were fully paid by Etihad? I know this has already been dealt with it at CAS, but if UEFA asked to see the transactions in both ADUG’s and Etihad’s books can we politely tell them to fuck off? Is that when the failing to cooperate charges occur?

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Only thing I can think of is Rui Pinto gave the PL more info, or different information than EUFA got there hands on.

It would have been presented in the four years of litigation.

Premier League would have sought a quiet resolution.

 

[pardoeofftomexico]

Over the week I have mellowed a bit on this.

I absolutely hate all the grubby hands behind it, however I’m getting the feeling that we have not co-operated and tried to derail this wherever we can.

The PL rightly or wrongly started this investigation and over the 4 years and have nothing further to go on due to City providing nothing further.

We hoped with no evidence more then CAS, they would not gone with charges and they have not.

However, if that is the case the PL are not necessarily to blame.

It would be our legal advice or that we are comfortable of what would happen in this stage of the process.

Like everyone else, I would like a quick resolution but it seems unlikely.

We seem to be indicating years to resolve (subtle way of saying to PL, it’s going to cost you a lot).

 

[KS55]

It all depends on what city have done to cooperate.

With UEFA, City didn’t even present evidence in their defence until CAS.

The CFCB specifically asked for the testimony of Pearce and Hogan (City’s main defence against the charges was their testimony that what was discussed in the email didn’t happen) and they refused to give it until City were charged, convicted, banned, appealed and reached CAS

City produced a dossier of the “irrefutable evidence” to the investigatory chamber. Leterme, iirc, declined to read it.

 

[wolviedinho]

I think Leterme sort of hints that they’ve been speaking with the PL about their investigation. He said the PL’s evidence is a lot more solid, or something along those lines.

This is what I am getting at. I hope the club have not been blindsided and that we are playing a clever game knowing the premier league was coming for us and actually do want the information that proves our innocence to come out. The second option would be remarkable.

 

[wolviedinho]

City produced a dossier of the “irrefutable evidence” to the investigatory chamber. Leterme, iirc, declined to read it.

Too busy counting his bung money.

 

[jrb]

Pep for Prime Minister exclusive.



The government has no plans to rewrite the white paper on independent football regulation in response to the Premier League’s charges against Man City, sources have told Football Insider.

The policy proposal – the most significant shake-up to football governance in England in a generation – had been due for publication earlier this month but has now been pushed back to the end of February.

But Football Insider has been told by a senior source that the situation will have no impact on the substance of the white paper, which was leaked to the press in late January.

The Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport believes that the Premier League’s intervention does not affect the reforms that are needed in football.

Man City charges will have no impact on independent regulator - sources

Football Insider has learned that The government has no plans to rewrite the white paper on independent football regulation in responde to Man City charges.

www.footballinsider247.com

 

[pardoeofftomexico]

There is always a lot asked about why the PL have taken 4 years to get to this point. I am not sure it has. At least a good couple of years of that were probably taken up by City's case against the PL and then going to appeal. I think these cases started in 2019 and ended in 2021. I would find it unlikely that we would have been providing any information during that period.

 

[domalino]

City produced a dossier of the “irrefutable evidence” to the investigatory chamber. Leterme, iirc, declined to read it.

A fairly meaningless phrase.

It's a fact that they didn't produce either the witness testimony which formed their entire defence, nor the accounting evidence they used to back it up, until CAS.

 

[levets]

Excellent I imagine however the response will be a bit rubbish even I don’t trust politician but leaving that aside she will fear you publishing her response and interfering in the current process at a PL and potentially a Court level and also won’t want to over emphasis Abu Dhabi links for fear of that being seen as the reason for any victory / dropping of charges

Lucy Powell is ‘shadow’ minister. Born in Moss Side, she is also a City supporter. We should get her onside to lobby the government.

 

[Dribble]

Newcastle and any other club who gets an appropriate owner.

I would expect that the club have weighed up the value between all unrestricted and the current restricted; the club would still need to meet UEFA's FFP to play in the CL, and there would be far more resistance to changing that.

And the public realisation of the European Elite football clubs' resistance to FFP change, even if change is fairer & makes sense, would mean game set & match for City & point proven.

It's why I'd shift the narrative from City's alleged wrongdoing, to FFP being wholly flawed. If this is ever established, all accusations & criticisms of City would evaporate with it...

 

[Stoned Rose]

Lucy Powell is ‘shadow’ minister. Born in Moss Side, she is also a City supporter. We should get her onside to lobby the government.

Pics?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Lucy Powell is ‘shadow’ minister. Born in Moss Side, she is also a City supporter. We should get her onside to lobby the government.

We never managed to get Gabriel Jesus onside and he was employed by us.

 

[KS55]

A fairly meaningless phrase.

It's a fact that they didn't produce either the witness testimony which formed their entire defence, nor the accounting evidence they used to back it up, until CAS.

City have used the phrase again in response to the PL charges. They have never said publicly what their “irrefutable evidence“ is. I suspect it is mainly the audited accounts.
City were advised not to produce the accounting evidence in advance, I‘m told. Why would this be so?

 

[Gary James]

It seems so long ago now but many of the negative MCFC stories started from the earliest days. Here’s a free article I wrote a few weeks back to appear today about this day in 2010. It includes material from an interview I did with Khaldoon years ago. It’s so frustrating - and damaging - that all of this has been going on for so long. Well worth looking at this piece to remember the stuff we faced back then!

City, Negative Media, Khaldoon and Stoke 2010

I’m going to talk about a period when I got totally riled by the way Manchester City was being covered by some in the media. This was this month in 2010 when considerable negative coverage was thrown City’s way. At that time I was interviewing several key figures at City and the following piece...

gjfootballarchive.com

 

[flb]

It would have been presented in the four years of litigation.

Premier League would have sought a quiet resolution.

Cheers TH , I just hate the over confidence of the PL , only because they seem confident of winning and no other reason , they’ve got a case together for a reason , if the PL lose this , as in we are totally cleared then they are absolutely fucked surely , with major remuneration coming our way.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Yes, I find it hard that Pinto is sat in jail there thinking of ways to "get" MCFC. He has other things on his mind. And I doubt he is in much of a position to benefit financially from the hacked documents either. It's most likely the PL only have the same info UEFA did, imo, which was not a lot.

He was directly quoted somewhere, likely by that German rag, that he had much more info on City encrypted somewhere and offering it to Uefa around the time of them charging us?

Something similar to this one, insisting he had the encryption codes in his head to 27 terabytes the French authorities were holding on his hardware.

Interview with Rui Pinto of Football Leaks

Rui Pinto, the face of Football Leaks, has spent the last nine months in prison. For the first time, he is now speaking out about the 147 charges against him and his time spent in pre-trial detention.

www.spiegel.de

 

[wolviedinho]

And the public realisation of the European Elite football clubs' resistance to FFP change, even if change is fairer & makes sense would mean game set & match for City & point proven.

It's why I'd shift the narrative from City's alleged wrongdoing to FFP being wholly flawed. If this is ever established, all accusations & criticisms of City would evaporate with it...

Last point is a very good idea and something we all would love to see happen. Risk and reward, ffp currently aids us to keep top spot but if we have a chance to clear our reputation then the foundation needs to be ripped up.

We might find ourselves in a tricky position and must decide at some point.

Fixing this reputational lynching is going to be hard slog.