PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

LOL. I hope that's an ironic reply. The prospect of relegation was never a serious option, more a piece of media sensationalism.

To be expelled from the PL, or suffer something like a 70 point deduction, we'd have to have committed a very serious, wide ranging and deliberate deception against the PL, UEFA, our auditor and our commercial partners. Quite simply, we haven't done that.

If we had I'd be very shocked and would have little sympathy for those who orchestrated that.

As I said, the very worst case scenario is that we'd be in a similar position to Everton, with the the IC finding that the bulk of the Etihad sponsorship was falsely included in our revenues. In that case we could be found to have exceeded the PL PSR maximum allowable loss by a similar sum when the figures for the impacted years were re-evaluated. I seriously doubt that's going to be the case though.
Well I hope you are correct. I wasn’t being ironic. As Stefan says, in the corporate World companies settle all the time even when they are 100% innocent because they don’t want to take the chance of wrongly being found guilty. It’s just probability theory.

Maybe if it was cash rather than points we would have taken it.
 
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If that offer is true, don't you think it smacks of desperation and weakness by the PL given its so early in the process. And if City turned it down don't you think they firmly believe they have a very very strong case.
Yes but that’s not my point. It’s possible that we are innocent and lose. We won CAS 2-1 not 3-0 as an example.
 
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If that offer is true, don't you think it smacks of desperation and weakness by the PL given its so early in the process. And if City turned it down don't you think they firmly believe they have a very very strong case.
I believe that a points deduction can only be applied for gaining a sporting advantage, any agreement to a deduction is basically admitting that we have done something against the rules that gave us an unfair sporting advantage over our rivals.

I just cant see a situation where we accept this.

Maybe if we were offered no points deducted and a £30 million fine for none co-operation we may consider it, however in truth I don't think we would entertain it. I feel we want our day in court and getting "facts" out on record, don't forget there will be a huge document that follows the case that we will be able to reference back to.

The one thing that does piss me off is that I have no doubt there will be lots of "No evidence" statements in the final decisions and this will just be portraid that the charges were right but our none-co-operation hamstrung the PL.
 
LOL. I hope that's an ironic reply. The prospect of relegation was never a serious option, more a piece of media sensationalism.

To be expelled from the PL, or suffer something like a 70 point deduction, we'd have to have committed a very serious, wide ranging and deliberate deception against the PL, UEFA, our auditor and our commercial partners. Quite simply, we haven't done that.

If we had I'd be very shocked and would have little sympathy for those who orchestrated that.

As I said, the very worst case scenario is that we'd be in a similar position to Everton, with the the IC finding that the bulk of the Etihad sponsorship was falsely included in our revenues. In that case we could be found to have exceeded the PL PSR maximum allowable loss by a similar sum when the figures for the impacted years were re-evaluated. I seriously doubt that's going to be the case though.
In terms of PSR and inflated or incorrectly recorded sponsorships -
There's an argument that the sponsorship was £60m pa and sheikh mansour or a closely related party paid all but 8m of it.
Let's presume that's found to be true.
Would that mean the accounts would be down marked by £52m so we would fail PSR for those years?
Surely if we sponsored by Amazon or Tesco instead, they would have paid us a lot mroe than £8m so how is it judged how much we failed by?
 
Yes but that’s not my point. It’s possible that we are innocent and lose. We won CAS 2-1 nor 3-0 as an example.
I can't see how we will lose if we are innocent, certainly not on the substantial charges. Personally if we are innocent I'm happy the club declined the offer if made. And if the PL turns into a kangaroo court and finds us guilty despite the evidence then fuck them, you should always stand up for what's right and your principals. It's them that won't sleep at night not those at City.
 
I thought the Etihad deal was £400m for 10 years (when it was signed) equating to £40m per year. Compared to the £60m you stated in your post above.
You're right about the initial Etihad deal as far as I'm aware but at CAS the claim was that Etihad had only paid £8m from its own funds and £52m from somewhere else. UEFA assumed that 'somewhere else' was ADUG whereas we showed it wasn't. But that was for the financial years 2013/14, 2015/16 and 2016/17 iirc.

Nick Harris made great play of the fact that the amounts involved over those 3 years meant that the Etihad deal was closer to £80m a year but hadn't taken into account that we got (I think) only £5m in the missing year, meaning it was around the £60m mark.
 
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Just a general PSR question.
Can clubs not argue that the 105 losses threshold adjust due to inflation?
Not necessarily CPI inflation but the fact the clubs recieve ever increasing tv money plus increasing in competition prize money etc. That type of stuff is also inbedd into player contracts so more outlay for the club.
 
I can't see how we will lose if we are innocent, certainly not on the substantial charges. Personally if we are innocent I'm happy the club declined the offer if made. And if the PL turns into a kangaroo court and finds us guilty despite the evidence then fuck them, you should always stand up for what's right and your principals. It's them that won't sleep at night not those at City.

I can't even see how we can lose if the club is guilty. They just won't be able to prove it.
 

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