PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Sheikh rattle and roll]

Most cases don't have the political issue the PL has here - optically difficult for them to settle without City accepting wrongdoing which City are naturally reluctant to do. The parties really should have found a way to settle before the charges but likely too late now.

We could do the same as CAS a fine for non co-operation made clear the charges were not proven

 

[GortonBlue62]

Most cases don't have the political issue the PL has here - optically difficult for them to settle without City accepting wrongdoing which City are naturally reluctant to do. The parties really should have found a way to settle before the charges but likely too late now.

If case hadn't been forced out in the open (Daily Mail was it?) maybe there would have been a settlement.

 

[Elbow beards]

Where's all this talk about being offered a 6 point deduction come from?

 

[cheekybids]

Most cases don't have the political issue the PL has here - optically difficult for them to settle without City accepting wrongdoing which City are naturally reluctant to do. The parties really should have found a way to settle before the charges but likely too late now.

That’s for certain. I know you’ve explained it won’t be the forum but I’d really like to know why the premier league decided to go with the press release & 115 because once that happened there was no opportunity to broker a deal. War had broken out.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

If either party was going to fold I suspect it would’ve happened by now
It’s going to be a long few of months waiting for the trial verdict with daily non-sensical article's appearing
Didn’t someone say a few months ago the case was over and the PL was just working on a media/ exit strategy
That hasn’t happened unfortunately

It sounds like it was over if we'd accepted the slap on the wrist points. That sounds like an exit strategy to me.

 

[marco]

It sounds like it was over if we'd have accepted the slap on the wrist points. That sounds like an exit strategy to me.

wasnt just the points though there was a large fine involved, i dont know 5 million or 105 million, it could be anything if it was a large amount as reported, think the club have gone the correct route,why should will fill the PLs coffers on demand

 

[Sheikh rattle and roll]

That’s for certain. I know you’ve explained it won’t be the forum but I’d really like to know why the premier league decided to go with the press release & 115 because once that happened there was no opportunity to broker a deal. War had broken out.

I also find that interesting!
The PL states Everton charged , Forest charged
No mention of the number of charges
But specifically mentioned 115 then we find out that’s even incorrect it’s something like 130

 

[Sheikh rattle and roll]

wasnt just the points though there was a large fine involved, i dont know 5 million or 105 million, it could be anything if it was a large amount as reported, think the club have gone the correct route,why should will fill the PLs coffers on demand

I trust we have a very good chance of defending ourselves and believe our Chairman would’ve brokered a deal if he thought we were guilty
He stated we had significant evidence to prove our innocence and I hope and pray we do
However
It just feels like an almighty gamble
Such a shame a deal couldn’t have been done
If found guilty we are facing oblivion

 

[Braggster]

Most cases don't have the political issue the PL has here - optically difficult for them to settle without City accepting wrongdoing which City are naturally reluctant to do. The parties really should have found a way to settle before the charges but likely too late now.

Agreed. This nails it IMO.

I was involved in a very similar case in this regard (allegations of fraud dating back many years, huge financial and reputational risks, high costs, non-financial drivers for both parties). It did settle but I think the key difference there was that there was more middle ground that would satisfy both parties. (I think settling was absolutely the right thing to do in that case, FWIW.)

Here, it's hard to see how City can settle on any aspect other than non cooperation, even if the settlement was relatively minor. A 6 point penalty and fine, for example, is small beer compared to what will happen if we lose on the key issues in front of the IC. But the reputational damage of those terms, and the long standing taint it would leave on past and future achievements, is so bad that I can't see City accepting that unless our substantive case was really shaky (even if on a purely probabilistic view it would be the correct thing to do).

And the PL have kind of the same problem in reverse. It's worse for them to settle just on cooperation, say, and take the substantive charges off the table, than it is to go to the IC and lose badly, getting criticised and stung for costs, because EVEN IF the substantive case for the PL is really weak, the perception will (quite wrongly) be that they caved. This is actually a common problem for regulatory bodies like the SFO, HMRC, FCA etc. Although those bodies - well certainly HMRC - have much better governance frameworks for taking these decisions than the PL seems to.

Masters is and has been in a difficult spot here but it does seem like he hasn't been up to the task, I would say.

 

[mimicmickmickdoyle]

We're definitely fucked as this Football 365 are very reliable ....

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I'd like to bet it would be quite the opposite.