PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

SalfordCityBlue said:
And I think I'm right in saying they had been edited for publication, with the originals being very different.

I wouldn't give them a single document even it was specifically related to something they got wrong. Make them work for everything. Make them detail every single charge, with everything they have (or don't have). Even if we have comprehensive and conclusive evidence, don't produce it until the last minute to torpedo them - cannot trust the slippery fucks. Don't rush to disprove something when they may ask us later for something we can't disprove, and look guilty because of the precedent we set.

I'm not sure they have subpoena power, so just like with UEFA, let them do all the work and then if all they are left with is 'failure to cooperate' that's a big loss for them, especially as we would spin it as 'wouldn't cooperate with a witch-hunt'. Then hopefully sue them for damages (or more likely store it up as leverage later) and get it in front of a more legitimate court/tribunal.

That trumped up charge list must be padded with things we refused to cooperate over, so they are "charging" us to try and get to the evidence they think might exist, but can't be sure. There is no way they have evidence for everything they are claiming. It's a shock and awe fishing expedition. Fuck them.

I really think we'll pretty much own the league when this is over.
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Not very different TBH, pages 37 & 38:-


I suspect that the non-cooperation charge from both UEFA & The PL relate to the rest of your post :)
 
Centurions said:
Technically, he's not been convicted yet. Although he did hack the police cyber terrorism team (or whatever their title is) AND the judges sat on the case so I can't see him walking free.
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Thought id read he’d admitted it a while back? Might be my old age playing tricks on me!!
 
halfcenturyup said:
What have the PL said to make you think they are bullish?
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flb said:
The fact they are going us in the first place, they obviously think they have something on us.
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It all depends on what city have done to cooperate.

With UEFA, City didn’t even present evidence in their defence until CAS.

The CFCB specifically asked for witness testimony (City’s main defence against the charges was the testimony of Pearce and Hogan that what was discussed in the email didn’t happen) and the club refused to give it until City were charged, convicted, banned, appealed and reached CAS
 
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CAS provided a justification why the stolen emails are admissible, basically if there is an over-riding "public interest" to do it then Swiss Law permits it's use. The PL Disciplinary Committee will see this as a green light, they will probably just copy it, tweak it and then paste it to suit. CAS included six emails, they are in the report. Either the PL have new significant evidence or they just fancied slinging shit at us for the beauty of reputational damage. CAS stated there was NOT SUFFICIENT evidence that the stolen emails were an accurate indicational of actual events... Here's exactly what they said with a pretty picture included:-

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BringBackSwales said:
You don’t think maybe it’s because they were pressured into it by certain other clubs?
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It's difficult to know, isn't it? Are they confident that the evidence they have will be upheld, or are they stuck in a process they don't really want, but have to see through to the end?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Presumably they can't find the club guilty of not obeying UFA's rules, only UEFA can do that surely, but they could find us guilty of providing falsified or misleading information to UEFA, if that is indeed the case?
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They'll find us guilty of what CAS found us guilty of - not complying with UEFA FFP investigation. That'll be enough to fine us. And that will be enough for the press and rival fans to continue calling us cheats and that our titles are all tarnished. Fuck em all!
 
Bluearmy said:
Thought id read he’d admitted it a while back? Might be my old age playing tricks on me!!
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My understanding of Portugese law is not great but I have been dipping into and out of the trial in the foreign media. Pinto has pleaded not guilty but has admitted asking for payment to return hacked documents to various football agents linked to Sporting Lisbon and Benfica. His absurd defence was that he was "just testing" to see if they would pay up as part of his "whistleblowing" activities and it wasn't really extortion! He has also admitted hacking into various bank accounts (including a pension fund) and transferring money into his own Swiss account which he then repaid later after cutting some deal with the bank where he helped them to prevent further thefts. It is all very strange. He is currently awaiting the verdict which is due in April.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Suiting in 2023 doesn't mean it suited in earlier years.
It doesn't suit anyone trying to break in.
It suits those who are already in.
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FFP still stunts our ability to invest what's needed into our squad as we see fit. The main advantage I can see for City in 2023 is it stunts Newcastle's ability to challenge as effectively as they could have done.

Isn't City being able to compete unhindered our main issue with FFP, not us wanting to stop more City's from living the dream?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Yes. Can't remember the page number :) It's in the accounting evidence section of the Etihad considerations IIRC.
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Thanks - found it. A quick read indicates it was Etihad reps who ran the search. In any case, if ADUG had paid it to Etihad, I’m guessing it would be very difficult for Etihad to hide the true source of those payments from their auditors.
 
Luca1894 said:
CAS provided a justification why the stolen emails are admissible, basically if there is an over-riding "public interest" to do it then Swiss Law permits it's use. The PL Disciplinary Committee will see this as a green light, they will probably just copy it, tweak it and then paste it to suit. CAS included six emails, they are in the report. Either the PL have new significant evidence or they just fancied slinging shit at us for the beauty of reputational damage. CAS stated there was NOT SUFFICIENT evidence that the stolen emails were an accurate indicational of actual events... Here's exactly what they said with a pretty picture included:-

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Exactly anyone who has worked in a large company would probably agree that if say the FD sends a note out about a certain event, he will copy in all relevant people e g department heads, treasurty, tax, legal, governance etc to action and make sure everything is done correctly. The Director is just providing the outline. It's too much like a film to say ohh look at this email, it's just a starting point.
 
BlueBas said:
They'll find us guilty of what CAS found us guilty of - not complying with UEFA FFP investigation. That'll be enough to fine us. And that will be enough for the press and rival fans to continue calling us cheats and that our titles are all tarnished. Fuck em all!
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Very possibly.
 
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