PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[LeonardoDaVnci]

I'm getting daggers from the Mrs so final thoughts tonight... The issues re sponsorship funds from Etihad, Etisalat and Aabar are absolutely crucial. The really serious PL charges (true and fair accounts) are all related to these. This is why I've posted about them far more than the images rights or Mancini's salary payments. The PL are facing huge costs for reputational damage If they have botched this investigation. Apologies for the pesky reply before, I assumed you were from Trafford.

 

[terraloon]

I don’t follow ? I would say this is mostly about FFP at least as far as the Premier League are concerned I would argue it might be more about accounting rules as the implication for how we are alleged to have got round FFP affect that and that is more serious. I guess you mean it not about FFP but dishonestly or not submitting accounts in relation to FFP but that seems like semantics. It would seem HMRC are not going investigating but that does not mean they won’t or that what’s being discussed does not have implications there maybe they just don’t think the Premier League are right. The police as far as I am aware did not investigate hacking of our scouting network. Even though it was in the press and Liverpool paid damages and that figure was in our accounts I assume don’t know what we called it. Anyway what’s your point

Of course it is fact that targets shape behaviours . Clubs will no doubt push the boundaries it’s why most claim Chelsea offered such long contracts to many of the recent signings but based on the rules in place at the time they have to be allowed but the rules change.
Did City work within the FFP rules or did they not just bend them but broke other rules to present a picture that was intended to comply with FFP targets? That really is the question
Its akin to which comes first the chicken or the egg?

 

[terraloon]

I'm getting daggers from the Mrs so final thoughts tonight... The issues re sponsorship funds from Etihad, Etisalat and Aabar are absolutely crucial. The really serious PL charges (true and fair accounts) are all related to these. This is why I've posted about them far more than the images rights or Mancini's salary payments. The PL are facing huge costs for reputational damage If they have botched this investigation. Apologies for the pesky reply before, I assumed you were from Trafford.

Mine went to bed with a shake of her head and a shrug of her shoulders !

As for me being from Trafford that is as real big insult

 

[Winchester]

This thread will run longer than The Mousetrap

 

[paska]

Most people don't lie. That is a fact. Research supports me on that.

What research? And does that extend to people in positions of power? How about people with links to bent organisations?

 

[norman]

The club believe xenophobia is at work here.

Well if it is it is disgraceful

 

[Newman Noggs]

...if you play in a league in a league or a competition then you have to abide by the rules or just opt out.

That's a surprisingly simplistic argument for you. Let's be clear, when the Association Football Premier League Ltd was formed by the clubs making up the top tier of the football industry at that time, businesses trading in an industry that had largely thrived for 100 years previously, there was no FFP. In effect, it was a company formed for collective bargaining purposes with each participant having a voting share. Unlimited investment by owners was allowed and, incidentally, lauded by the media.

The situation changed when City acquired an investor and new rules were proposed specifically designed to prevent the level of investment required to sustain a challenge to the four clubs already embedded in the Champions League, the income from which had, effectively made them untouchable. City voted against it as did Fulham, West Brom and Villa. The proposal was only carried by the tactical abstention of Reading.

At this point, you suggest we should have "opted out" ? And done what ? Ceased trading, written off a billion pounds worth of investment ? In effect there was no option but to "sign up to the rules" and pretending that all this is something we were willingly a party to is more than disingenous.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

The club believe xenophobia is at work here.

Judging by discussions with knownowts in work, the media have done their job.
It’s all down to dirty Arab money laundering.

I’m serious. I started cursing profusely the other morning, which some more moderates said was unlike me.

However this is the stupidity that people who don’t even have an interest in football, latch on to.

In the midst of fucking and fucking some more I mentioned Standard Charter.
Who?
What?
How much?

Xenophobic or whatever you want to call it. It’s them dirty money laundering, oil money Arabs and the honest broker ‘merican control freaks. Take your pick.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Judging by discussions with knownowts in work, the media have done their job.
It’s all down to dirty Arab money laundering.

I’m serious. I started cursing profusely the other morning, which some more moderates said was unlike me.

However this is the stupidity that people who don’t even have an interest in football, latch on to.

In the midst of fucking and fucking some more I mentioned Standard Charter.
Who?
What?
How much?

Xenophobic or whatever you want to call it. It’s them dirty money laundering, oil money Arabs and the honest broker ‘merican control freaks. Take your pick.

m8 there's literally nothing you can say, nothing will change their minds, ever. So tell them you dont give a shit because we beat them so much. Thats where their pain is.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I’m not saying I agree with everything @terraloon has said on this thread but I do believe he’s posting on here in good faith and he has been a member of this forum for years, long pre-dating this investigation. Why? Because I remember him from when he used to post on Untold Arsenal, swimming against the tide of the rampant paranoia and lunacy that populates that forum. If anyone thinks this place is a madhouse (and it most certainly can be at times) then multiply it by ten and that’s what UA is. At times it was literally him and me taking on virtually everyone else in the comments section of the latest article posted by site owner Tony Attwood or his lunatic sidekick Walter Broeckx!

Rag(s).

 

[Stoned Rose]

They have obligations to discharge their duties fairly and objectively. Its a judicial panel. Its a serious responsibility. I can't see how someone could say it is not the same. No doubt a lawyer may have a view.

Judge Fudge likes this.

 

[oakiecokie]

Judge Fudge likes this.

And Len Fairclough likes your post.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

where did the term Kangaroo court come from?

are we to believe that kangaroo have enough sentience to have a legal system? kangaroo barristers? kangaroo judges? What absolute lunacy!
Not just that but then they, as a society, decide to forgo justice and deliver the outcome that was pre determined by … who? A secret cabal of kangaroos?

Sounds like the fevered dream of a mad man.

 

[SilvaisSkyBlue]

Of course it is fact that targets shape behaviours . Clubs will no doubt push the boundaries it’s why most claim Chelsea offered such long contracts to many of the recent signings but based on the rules in place at the time they have to be allowed but the rules change.
Did City work within the FFP rules or did they not just bend them but broke other rules to present a picture that was intended to comply with FFP targets? That really is the question
Its akin to which comes first the chicken or the egg?

Mate, take this whichever way you wish, you’re just another boring WUM with their own agenda going on about something you have fuck all idea about, couldn’t give a fuck who knows you or says you’re ok, your agenda and posts are crystal clear, just another know fùck all hoping and wishing some of the bollocks thrown at City sticks.

A Chelsea fan lecturing about City bending the rules, fuck me, and a few City fans backing you up, this place is really fucked up at times.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I’m not saying I agree with everything @terraloon has said on this thread but I do believe he’s posting on here in good faith and he has been a member of this forum for years, long pre-dating this investigation. Why? Because I remember him from when he used to post on Untold Arsenal, swimming against the tide of the rampant paranoia and lunacy that populates that forum. If anyone thinks this place is a madhouse (and it most certainly can be at times) then multiply it by ten and that’s what UA is. At times it was literally him and me taking on virtually everyone else in the comments section of the latest article posted by site owner Tony Attwood or his lunatic sidekick Walter Broeckx!

Yep. I am a bit suspicious of other club's fans enjoying themselves too much on this thread but the guy seems a fair poster with some experience to share. Everyone should listen and make their own minds up.

 

[Iassel]

You don't think City have already been offered that plea bargain?

Absolutely 0% chance in my personal opinion as not even Lionel Hutz would allow his clients to turn down such a settlement.

Ultimately no matter how strong you believe your hand is, a trial (or tribunal) is a gamble that can go either way, if the prosecution is offering a sweet plea deal (such as an immaterial fine) you move heaven and earth to convince your client to take it.

City don’t employ stupid lawyers, so the fact the tribunal is moving forward is a very strong indication that no deals have been offered.

 

[cheekybids]

Absolutely 0% chance in my personal opinion as not even Lionel Hutz would allow his clients to turn down such a settlement.

Ultimately no matter how strong you believe your hand is, a trial (or tribunal) is a gamble that can go either way, if the prosecution is offering a sweet plea deal (such as an immaterial fine) you move heaven and earth to convince your client to take it.

City don’t employ stupid lawyers, so the fact the tribunal is moving forward is a very strong indication that no deals have been offered.

I think plea deals are offered & accepted when the balance of evidence is available & the risk to both sides is understood.

My understanding is lawyers will build in that you accept the plea they recommend otherwise they can refuse to continue representing you.

 

[WRicko]

Of course it is fact that targets shape behaviours . Clubs will no doubt push the boundaries it’s why most claim Chelsea offered such long contracts to many of the recent signings but based on the rules in place at the time they have to be allowed but the rules change.
Did City work within the FFP rules or did they not just bend them but broke other rules to present a picture that was intended to comply with FFP targets? That really is the question
Its akin to which comes first the chicken or the egg?

Again what’s your point ? What are you trying to get me to say in my posts or stay away from ? The tax points ? Should we not be discussing it when it perhaps has bigger implications than what’s going on with the Premier League ? Why can other discuss it without you pulling them up on it ?

 

[SilverFox2]

You’re telling me HMRC won’t be interested in a large some of money paid to a high profile manager of a premier league club in a different country under a different tax regime instead of the one this one. If it was true income tax and national insurance would have been avoided

Surely Tax Treaties between countries sort out which of them taxes the global income of a person.?
In other words it is possible that a person can earn most of their income in UK but be taxed on the whole of that income in another country.

Tax treaties

Find out information on the UK's tax treaties, related taxation documents and multilateral agreements.

www.gov.uk

 

[KS55]

I’m not saying I agree with everything @terraloon has said on this thread but I do believe he’s posting on here in good faith and he has been a member of this forum for years, long pre-dating this investigation. Why? Because I remember him from when he used to post on Untold Arsenal, swimming against the tide of the rampant paranoia and lunacy that populates that forum. If anyone thinks this place is a madhouse (and it most certainly can be at times) then multiply it by ten and that’s what UA is. At times it was literally him and me taking on virtually everyone else in the comments section of the latest article posted by site owner Tony Attwood or his lunatic sidekick Walter Broeckx!

Tony Atwood. There’s a loon. Wrote how City were going bust because Etihad was making losses! Anyone calling out his nonsense cannot be all bad.