PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[johnevans]

Just been catching up with this 'Magic Hat' garbage from today.

From memory (and it was 50 years ago during my first degree studies, so bear with me!) the concept of the 'Magic Hat' was a literary device used down through the ages and in almost every society on the planet to either:

(a) suggest the wearer had mystical powers of shape-shifting, or of invisibility or even of invincibility of knowledge/powers or

(b) to indicate the hat wearer was actually a deceitful, lying and untrustworthy person.

I think you might be getting my drift..

To be fair, though, I might add a third interpretation here. It could be 'Magic Hat' is jokingly suggesting that City has all of those mystical powers and is, indeed, being deceitful and untrustworthy. Oh my, how we can all laugh at this fellow's (lady's?) cheeky-chappy, waggish sense of humour!

Whatever game this person is trying to play, I certainly don't intend to give it any credence and I'm content to wait until the Independent Commission has completed its investigation process and reported its findings.

And of course, I'll continue to take the word of our owner/senior managers that we have nothing to fear from that process. If that makes me one of those 'ardent City fans' defending City, dear 'Magic Hat' old son, then so be it..

 

[slbsn]

How does he get access to new emails?

Been public for years

 

[KS55]

A quick word of advice. Don't get bogged down in all the detail that is suddenly appearing from suspect sources, even if it reliably reconstitutes what is publicly available.

No-one knows what the detail means if they don't know what the counter-evidence is. And we have been here before with UEFA. They only had the publicly available "evidence" and it all looked pretty incriminating until it suddenly didn't.

Bottom line. They still won't have access to any substantial evidence that proves the most serious charges and, by that, I mean Etihad. Without that, the true and fair issues go away and so do the FFP issues. Nothing substantial left after that.

IIRC, Etihad was specifically dealt with by CAS thus: ‘The first email was written before there were any ffp regs and so owner funding would have been ok at that time. There is no evidence that owner funding continued after ffp was introduced.‘ Hope I have not misremembered that.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

A sample of Magic Hats work:

He has stated in his epic X thread that we will be 'crushed' and that we are 'totally fucked' in his opinion.

So once you get beyond the camouflage of legalistic verbiage you can see it is agenda driven rather than a considered piece of work by a professional.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

A sample of Magic Hats work:

He has stated in his epic X thread that we will be 'crushed' and that we are 'totally fucked' in his opinion.

So once you get beyond the camouflage of legalistic verbiage you can see it is agenda driven rather than a considered piece of work by a professional.

My favourite bit was where he praised the integrity of the IC panel chair. If we are cleared let’s see how long that view lasts!

 

[Claytop]

What’s going on with the thread?!…

Magic hat doing something to it?…

 

[Norman kneejerk]

None at all. The investigation has finished. Allegations have been referred. Even if there were new incriminating emails, they wouldn't be part of this case.

I think the guy has just been regurgitating the DS emails for dramatic effect. Not read it, though, I have better things to do. If anyone hears to the contrary (from someone reliable), let me know :)

The ones I saw about the funding are definitely not new.
So coming from a deceitful starting point.
You do have to wonder why someone would write deceitfully at such length .Could be clicks or else somebody is making it worth his while.

 

[At-Swim-Two-Birds]

Just been catching up with this 'Magic Hat' garbage from today.

From memory (and it was 50 years ago during my first degree studies, so bear with me!) the concept of the 'Magic Hat' was a literary device used down through the ages and in almost every society on the planet to either:

(a) suggest the wearer had mystical powers of shape-shifting, or of invisibility or even of invincibility of knowledge/powers or

(b) to indicate the hat wearer was actually a deceitful, lying and untrustworthy person.

I think you might be getting my drift..

To be fair, though, I might add a third interpretation here. It could be 'Magic Hat' is jokingly suggesting that City has all of those mystical powers and is, indeed, being deceitful and untrustworthy. Oh my, how we can all laugh at this fellow's (lady's?) cheeky-chappy, waggish sense of humour!

Whatever game this person is trying to play, I certainly don't intend to give it any credence and I'm content to wait until the Independent Commission has completed its investigation process and reported its findings.

And of course, I'll continue to take the word of our owner/senior managers that we have nothing to fear from that process. If that makes me one of those 'ardent City fans' defending City, dear 'Magic Hat' old son, then so be it..

Magic Hat, as in pulling rabbits out of...ok and relax.

 

[sky tot]

I was happy and optimistic last week after Tolmie’s tweets . Now I’m slightly depressed …Be so glad when it’s all over

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I was happy and optimistic last week after Tolmie’s tweets . Now I’m slightly depressed …Be so glad when it’s all over

Don't be.

Those emails have been available for years.

It's a desperate dump from someone who should have taken it to the toilet instead.

It's Nick Harris.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I was happy and optimistic last week after Tolmie’s tweets . Now I’m slightly depressed …Be so glad when it’s all over

Depressed because an anonymous internet troll looking for clicks says or implies he knows something, when the rest of the mainstream media don't have an more of the idea than the rest of us.

 

[spinney]

So who do we think this Magic Hat fella is? Never heard a peep from him before and then suddenly he’s all over Twitter acting like he’s advisor to the Premier League. I’ve blocked him cos he’s fucking boring but can’t help thinking he’s not entirely ‘unsponsored’.

Same with wyess

The ones I saw about the funding are definitely not new.
So coming from a deceitful starting point.
You do have to wonder why someone would write deceitfully at such length .Could be clicks or else somebody is making it worth his while.

Just like wyness pops up once a week with a negative city story

 

[waspish]

I really am hoping that De Spiegal (or whatever they are called) have a load of other hacked emails to throw at us, i'd hate to think that we get cleared from this investigation and that's the end of it. I love a good trilogy.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Don't be.

Those emails have been available for years.

It's a desperate dump from someone who should have taken it to the toilet instead.

It's Nick Harris.

Christ, what a sad life some people lead.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

That was just a sample. There were many more but the implications of them all were a bit over my head. Too many to post but if your on Twitter here’s a link
@themagic_tophat
https://twitter.com/themagic_tophat

In 2012/13, we thought we needed a specific bottom line maximum loss in order to be able to invoke the Annex XI provision to take advantage of pre-June 2010 wages. That's why we accelerated the Etihad payments and did the Fordham deal. In the end, UEFA shifting the goalposts on the application of those wages rendered these actions irrelevant but we didn't know that at the time.

There's absolutely nothing either new of remotely fraudulent in those actions. And if the IC agree it's not fraudulent, then they'll be time-barred anyway.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

The ones I saw about the funding are definitely not new.
So coming from a deceitful starting point.
You do have to wonder why someone would write deceitfully at such length .Could be clicks or else somebody is making it worth his while.

The smear campaign against City has been relentless for ten years and to use Khaldoon's words: "Organised and clear."
Khaldoon is a man of few words and he chooses them very carefully. There is no reason to doubt what he said.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

No. Read @Bez at #57,586 post above.

I have, and I completely understand the principle of just because people state their intentions via email it doesn't mean they were necessarily carried out. I'm comfortable with that.

I'm specifically referring to the emails where club employees, again via email, suggest the actions have already been carried out. Not plans to carry them out, not suggestions or intentions, but referring to have actually previously done them.

Of course, what they could be admitting to having previously done might be nothing illegal at all, but that's sort of the basis of my question.

 

[KS55]

I have, and I completely understand the principle of just because people state their intentions via email it doesn't mean they were necessarily carried out. I'm comfortable with that.

I'm specifically referring to the emails where club employees, again via email, suggest the actions have already been carried out. Not plans to carry them out, not suggestions or intentions, but referring to have actually previously done them.

Of course, what they could be admitting to having previously done might be nothing illegal at all, but that's sort of the basis of my question.

There still has to be corroboration of the statement ‘like we did before’ ie is there evidence that we actually did whatever it was before?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

There still has to be corroboration of the statement ‘like we did before’ ie is there evidence that we actually did whatever it was before?

Or when was it done before?
Pre-FFP?

 

[I'm Blue]

For anyone wanting a catchup on the last few days I can catch you up rather simply.
Someone on Twitter(X)..