PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[kinkladze10]

The threshold is not higher and not aligned with criminal law. It is BoP but the evidence must be cogent in essence to overcome the inherently improbability that professionals would commit such discreditable acts. While dishonesty is inherently more improbable than an innocent explanation, cogent and compelling evidence of dishonesty can and will shift this balance. But it is certainly not a criminal standard so make sure you re read that text book.

I have read the text book again, just now and it says that establishing fraud is higher than for other types of civil action but not as high relating to criminal matters, but close to the criminal standard. :-)

 

[halfcenturyup]

All I’m trying to say is the threshold for proving fraud in a civil court is higher than other types of civil action.

We can all agree with that, I think :)

And, without trying to sound "know it all", have agreed on it for most of the last eighteen months.

 

[oakiecokie]

Don't know which I would prefer: having my tackle tickled or my tattle tittled :)

Oooooooooooooooooooooooo Matron !!

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

Talkshite reckon the players know something and this is the reason why they’ve given up! Can someone point out that nobody knows fuck all because if they did it would be all over the press unless of course we are in course to win.

I had a rag mate mention the same yesterday. I told him the players mustn’t have known about it in the first half against Brighton and Sporting, or for 80 minutes against Feyenord, nor against Forest.

 

[TonyColemansbagofapples]

I reckon I know something............................United are fucking shit.

 

[1964]

I had a rag mate mention the same yesterday. I told him the players mustn’t have known about it in the first half against Brighton and Sporting, or for 80 minutes against Feyenord, nor against Forest.

if the players know that means the backroom staff know
if they know their relatives know
if they know every fucker knows
its bullshit no one knows anything yet including citys top brass

 

[Eric Hitchmough]

Talkshite reckon the players know something and this is the reason why they’ve given up! Can someone point out that nobody knows fuck all because if they did it would be all over the press unless of course we are in course to win.

If the players knew then their agents would know, and the agents would leak like a sieve.

Nobody knows yet.

 

[kaz7]

Talkshite reckon the players know something and this is the reason why they’ve given up! Can someone point out that nobody knows fuck all because if they did it would be all over the press unless of course we are in course to win.

Talkshite trawl this place for info ,the mood of us blues and the questions being asked like should we sack pep etc , that is why we should be careful what we write

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

I know how you feel Ste, it all gets on top at some point. All the best mate, have a good one.

Brown nosing ****.
That's why you were a prefect at school telling me what to do. ****

 

[wolviedinho]

Talkshite reckon the players know something and this is the reason why they’ve given up! Can someone point out that nobody knows fuck all because if they did it would be all over the press unless of course we are in course to win.

Yes the players do indeed know the outcome. It’s explains why they have turned to crap.

Why?

Because we have won the case and most of them will be replaced. They know a blockbuster rebuild is on the way.

Talk shit = shit talk -:)

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

He was indicted in July 2023 on 377 new charges, primarily related to unauthorized access to emails from S.L. Benfica and information connected to Cristiano Ronaldo's rape case. The upcoming trial could further complicate his legal situation, following his earlier suspended sentence of four years. Rui Pinto's "get out of jail card" is if the court chooses to view him as a whistleblower rather than a criminal, which will be more difficult this time. It is highly likely that he has shared everything he has on Manchester City with the Premier League.

Pinto is already a convicted criminal. The prosecution case was proven in his first trial. The court rejected his claims to be a whistleblower and the evidence was overwhelming. He demanded money from Doyen Sports agency not to relase information he had hacked. The next trial involves more extortion charges. None of these cases relate to City. He has not a cat in hell's chance of convincing any court he is a whistleblower. He had money in Swiss bank accounts he had taken from other organisations. There is no evidence he has more material from City other than that already publshed by Der Spiegl.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Talkshite reckon the players know something and this is the reason why they’ve given up! Can someone point out that nobody knows fuck all because if they did it would be all over the press unless of course we are in course to win.

Yes, they know we will be cleared and both sets of red shite will get points deductions for chatting shit - titles in the bag.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Explain the Foden goal then.

Misplaced pass?

 

[slbsn]

I have read the text book again, just now and it says that establishing fraud is higher than for other types of civil action but not as high relating to criminal matters, but close to the criminal standard. :-)

Inviting an allegation that I'm arrogant again, but the textbook is wrong if it does say that. Really is as simple as that. If you show me exactly what it says I can explain but there is only one standard of proof in civil cases: the balance of probabilities.

The more serious the allegation, the less likely it is to have occurred. But this does not mean that where a serious allegation is in issue, the standard of proof required is higher. It means only that the inherent probability or improbability of an event is itself a matter to be taken into account when weighing the probabilities and deciding whether, on balance, the event occurred see H (Minors) [1996] A.C. 563 at 586 per Lord Nicholls.

It is well discussed in this case https://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/form...Bank+St+Petersburg+PJSC+v+Vitaly+Arkhangelsky

and this article https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/proving-fraud-english-courts-higher-standard

 

[blue ranger]

Talkshite trawl this place for info ,the mood of us blues and the questions being asked like should we sack pep etc , that is why we should be careful what we write

Behave. Talkshite slag us off when we were winning.

 

[Ali B's Heel]

If there was a points deduction incoming, would it be for the current season? If the club expected this, might they just ride the storm out as is (no big changes in January) & start afresh next year. Would the club have an inkling of outcome already? Surely, the lawyers have seen enough to form their own take

 

[slbsn]

Players can't even keep a line up secret...

No player knows the outcome of the hearing. Nobody does. Even if someone knew, they would only know the verdict on liability and not on sanction because they haven't even had that bit of the hearing.

Every soft signal is positive - another clean audit published 4 months before the deadline with no red flags, huge non-essential infrastructure investment, repeated executive confidence, Silver Lake further investment, no board resignations etc.

The team have collapsed on the pitch for football reasons.

 

[Sir peace frog]

Are people really talking about ‘Our boring football’ from last season, the season in which we made unprecedented history with 4 PL titles in a row?

After a gruelling 4 years, winning everything on the planet with some amazing football, I’m amazed we even got ourselves into that position, never mind winning the fucking thing!

How quickly people forget.

people want to see goals not possession based football, goals cause excitement passing doesnt

oooh whats that we scored the highest amount of goals last season, these people are talking bollocks, they are a bit pissed off about recent results so just made stuff up

 

[kaz7]

Behave. Talkshite slag us off when we were winning.

Yes they do i agree but they have always trawled here and any chink in the armour they pose it as a question for rags and dippers to ring in and to bait blues into ringing . I stopped listening to them years ago but they get posted on here so i know they are still doing it . They must be licking their lips at all the panic amongst blues at the moment

 

[silva_is_gold]

Nope, I want a bit of excitement, winning isn't everything.

Winning is everything if you wana win silverware!