PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
I never take anyone's word as gospel. Especially these days. I take everyone's view on board and come to my own conclusions. Often wrongly, but at least they are my own work :)

Clearly more weight is given to people who know what they are talking about. I am just not sure, when it comes to timing and what is going on behind the scenes, if anything at all, that anyone knows anything apart from, say, ten people on the planet who aren't going to spill the beans. It's all just noise, so my advice is to be patient and take time to understand the nuance when the decision is finally released.
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I think the panel are just plodding through the drafting process, nobody knows anything except them and nothing is going on in the background. Boring eh? Fertile ground for baseless speculation.
 
Stoned Rose said:
These Guardian pieces always make me laugh. They’re clearly meant for intelligent readership by the way they’re written. You’d imagine intelligent people are less likely to have the wool pulled over their eyes. It seems not, though.
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You look at the comments in those pieces (when they allow them, which isn't often) and realise the commenters aren't that intelligent.

Even more eye-opening is the Financial Times, where you can only comment if you're a subscriber. I can only imagine Care in the Community or some of our secure psychiatric facilities have bulk subscriptions reading some of the comments.
 
bluemc said:
But how well informed are those we consider well informed?

I'm not downplaying anyone's credentials or knowledge of the legal/arbitration process. However, when it comes to our case, it seems as if no-one has a clue what is going on. The whole thing is shrouded in secrecy. Which can be read into or interpreted in a million different ways, as can the departure of certain executives from certain clubs.

Our confidence can only be determined by how well we trust and back our own club to have done the right thing in the first place, and to also fight their corner against what is undoubtedly a targeted and malicious smear campaign.
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Our confidence can also be determined by common sense, reason and the input of those with greater legal knowledge than us.

My take is now and always has been they had nothing substantial because if they did the need for all the separate charges across separate seasons would not have been necessary, put it this way if the police have got you bang to rights on a murder charge they dont bother with the fact that you were speeding on the way to the crime, if the evidence isnt there to convict you they will try throwing enough shit at a wall to hope something sticks which is exactly what the pl have done.

Also another common sense reason to know that it is a smear campaign and that they dont have anything significant is that quite simply if they did have the evidence to prove anything then there wouldnt be a need for 115 charges as the story would write itself in the press but the fact that they have gone with that many charges is just for the smear tactics because 3 charges isnt a story that plays well in the press, the optics of 115 for the pl and its masters are far more useful.

It has been nothing but a sad smear campaign from day one because the red cartel and its yank owners couldnt get their heads round the fact that not just little city but little city owned by arabs no less had not just beaten but obliterated their achievements by being being smarter, more innovative and better run than they ever were and by doing that proved that there is nothing special about any of them and that shook them to the core and this is the last death throes of an archaic dinosaur who hasnt caught up to the fact that its time has passed.

As our byline goes, we're man city the future is ours.
 
mancboy said:
Our confidence can also be determined by common sense, reason and the input of those with greater legal knowledge than us.

My take is now and always has been they had nothing substantial because if they did the need for all the separate charges across separate seasons would not have been necessary, put it this way if the police have got you bang to rights on a murder charge they dont bother with the fact that you were speeding on the way to the crime, if the evidence isnt there to convict you they will try throwing enough shit at a wall to hope something sticks which is exactly what the pl have done.

Also another common sense reason to know that it is a smear campaign and that they dont have anything significant is that quite simply if they did have the evidence to prove anything then there wouldnt be a need for 115 charges as the story would write itself in the press but the fact that they have gone with that many charges is just for the smear tactics because 3 charges isnt a story that plays well in the press, the optics of 115 for the pl and its masters are far more useful.

It has been nothing but a sad smear campaign from day one because the red cartel and its yank owners couldnt get their heads round the fact that not just little city but little city owned by arabs no less had not just beaten but obliterated their achievements by being being smarter, more innovative and better run than they ever were and by doing that proved that there is nothing special about any of them and that shook them to the core and this is the last death throes of an archaic dinosaur who hasnt caught up to the fact that its time has passed.

As our byline goes, we're man city the future is ours.
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Amen blue brother!
 
johnevans said:
Mind, my Old Man introduced my brothers, sisters and I to both City and Puccini et al at an early age, so thanks to him for that.

Many connections between the highbrow trilling and the 'working class opera' we all know and love so much.. I mean, for example, who could forget the flying winger for Bradford City in the early 60s who performed at Valley Parade of an afternoon then sang tenor leads at The Alhambra of an evening, Les O'Pavarotti..? He was nicknamed 'The Bantam of the Opera'*..

(* All right, all right, I'll get me coat..)
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Could Puccini do it on a cold night in Stoke?
 
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Milesvk said:
I'm used to taking his word as gospel, pretty much any discussion i have had with people on the outside (of bluemoon) is based on what he has said on various podcasts.

Just something as a side note and could be seen as another "soft signal". With the arsenal CEO and spurs chairman leaving suddenly, this has set our little minds going and trying to link it to 115. Ian cheesman interviewed a Labour MP when the white paper of the football regulator come out, the MP stated then that the red cartel had far too much influence in the running of the prem league, they were his words.
Could there something sizemic in the background be going on. Could this 115 case opened up a massive can of worms.
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Sizemic for us or the Premier League?
 
halfcenturyup said:
I never take anyone's word as gospel. Especially these days. I take everyone's view on board and come to my own conclusions. Often wrongly, but at least they are my own work :)

Clearly more weight is given to people who know what they are talking about. I am just not sure, when it comes to timing and what is going on behind the scenes, if anything at all, that anyone knows anything apart from, say, ten people on the planet who aren't going to spill the beans. It's all just noise, so my advice is to be patient and take time to understand the nuance when the decision is finally released.
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I could be wrong but I find it difficult to believe that they'll write up all the proceedings completely dispassionately then say, "Right, what do we think? Proven or not proven?" for every single instance.

It's more likely they'll have pretty well made their minds up by the end of the hearing in most cases. There may be some debates about levels of proof, or the weight of some of the evidence and going back to the evidence presented, but there are only 3 substantive charges, plus the issue of non-cooperation, so it should be pretty clear to them whether the PL has made its case to a sufficient level of cogency by the end of the hearing.

I've had a second source unconnected to my original source tell me that the broad outcome was clear 6 months ago, even if the formal verdict wasn't. Is the delay due to attempts at damage limitation? Are the departures of Levy & Lewis connected or coincidental?

We'll find out soon hopefully.
 
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Milesvk said:
Stefan stated some weeks ago his theory that we could see verdict within next few weeks and he would be surprised if it ran into October without a verdict. I asked him would his surprise turn to concern of a positive outcome for us if it went into October without a verdict, he said yes.
So the positive side of me is thinking the verdict will be out this week.
The negative side is thinking we could be in the shit, which then leads me to a optimism side of could we be negotiating a deal, hence the delay.

If positive verdict it has me thinking, could the feeling be up there with 93:20, Istanbul, 3-2 villa or will it be a different feeling of joy.
I personally think its absolutely huge in a way like the Dickov goal, had that not happened could the club have done a forest, sheff wed and languish in the doldrums for years and possibly the club would not be what they are today.
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Sounds like you glass is always half empty and not half full. ;)
 
johnevans said:
Mind, my Old Man introduced my brothers, sisters and I to both City and Puccini et al at an early age, so thanks to him for that.

Many connections between the highbrow trilling and the 'working class opera' we all know and love so much.. I mean, for example, who could forget the flying winger for Bradford City in the early 60s who performed at Valley Parade of an afternoon then sang tenor leads at The Alhambra of an evening, Les O'Pavarotti..? He was nicknamed 'The Bantam of the Opera'*..

(* All right, all right, I'll get me coat..)
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... and don`t slam the fucking door on yer way out. ;)
 
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