Player thread : Edin Dzeko (2014/15)

[NorCalBlue]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

I was at the game and I've since watched highlights, we both know you're going to defend Dzeko regardless of performance. He has scored some invaluable goals recently that I'll be forever grateful for, but the difference between when a striker of Aguero's intelligence leads the line is clear as day. Aguero runs the channels which drags the defenders all over the place, so when they have a set defence of 8 like Villa had tonight it causes confusion and drags defenders out of position, the amount of times we get in behind with our fullbacks Edin should be scoring this many goals. I don't want to criticise him at the moment to be honest, but he does go missing for large periods of the game and for me scoring a tap in doesn't always make up for it. Yaya was the same tonight, had a really poor game and then grabs a quality assist and a ridiculous goal so all is forgotten and MOTD highlight his genius.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Yaya and Edin were both excellent tonight. Yaya was at the heart of everything. The players found it tough to break through a 6-3-1 formation. It was a fantastic team performance tonight, probably the best I've seen city play this season.

I'm with you citymad. Dzeko was never as bad as his critics suggested and Aguero isn't as good as his fans believe. That doesn't mean I think Dzeko is better than Aguero, by the way. But if it's as easy as just tapping it in when our fullbacks get in behind the defence, then why do we need Aguero to run the channels and drag defenders around? Why doesn't he just do the same? Since he's better than Dzeko he should be scoring about 4 a game this way. And if Aguero is so good at breaking open a packed defence, how come there are many examples of him playing in games over the last three years in which we were unable to break open a packed defence?

Some people might not see it, or agree with the analysis, but a lot of people (including many 'experts' within the game as well as fans on here) do see what Dzeko contributes to the team effort in addition to scoring goals. And they also see that scoring goals isn't as easy as the players who are good at it make it appear.

A last, interesting stat is that Aguero's strike rate this season across all competitions is almost the same whether he plays with Dzeko or Negredo (1.22 and 1.26 goals per game respectively), whereas Dzeko's strike rate is 0.87 playing as a lone striker, and 0.85 playing with Negredo, but only 0.47 goals per game playing with Aguero. Make of that what you will.

 

[noise]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

Haha, that's a quite good way of describing him. He does nothing for 60 minutes, and then when the defence thinks he's not a threat, bang! A bit of clever movement and a goal.

He made tons of offside trap runs before the goal. It's hard to notice because you're usually watching Yaya, Silva, Nasri or whoever has the ball, but Dzeko was constantly trying to beat the offside trap.

If you get a chance to watch the game again pay attention to his movement. He puts a lot of effort off the ball, that goes unnoticed, which is why he's in a position to tap em in and make the goals look easy.

I was at the game and I've since watched highlights, we both know you're going to defend Dzeko regardless of performance. He has scored some invaluable goals recently that I'll be forever grateful for, but the difference between when a striker of Aguero's intelligence leads the line is clear as day. Aguero runs the channels which drags the defenders all over the place, so when they have a set defence of 8 like Villa had tonight it causes confusion and drags defenders out of position, the amount of times we get in behind with our fullbacks Edin should be scoring this many goals. I don't want to criticise him at the moment to be honest, but he does go missing for large periods of the game and for me scoring a tap in doesn't always make up for it. Yaya was the same tonight, had a really poor game and then grabs a quality assist and a ridiculous goal so all is forgotten and MOTD highlight his genius.

I don't understand why you're bringing Aguero into this. He's a completely different player who didn't play tonight.

This season I have rarely seen Dzeko go missing. Usually when he's not playing well he's making mistakes which everyone notices, they normally each get accounted for in matchday threads. That's not missing.

Don't get me wrong Aguero is world class. But he's not without faults, injury prone being one of them.

As Michael Cox put it, Aguero is difficult to play with for a number 9 (Dzeko), as evident from the Everton game. As soon as Aguero was gone, Dzeko was on fire.

Dzeko is an entirely different type of player and he's having a hard time establishing the partnership with Aguero, I dunno, somehow he was able to set the all time Bundesliga record of the most lethal partnership with Grafite, and in the Euro World Cup Qualifiers him and Ibisevic are in the top 3 of top scorers. Perhaps Dzeko's intelligence is not an issue? Maybe they are just incompatible.

Dzeko has scored 12 goals since Jan (most in Prem), heavy goals too. But you still seem to have a hard on for him for some reason.

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

I was at the game and I've since watched highlights, we both know you're going to defend Dzeko regardless of performance. He has scored some invaluable goals recently that I'll be forever grateful for, but the difference between when a striker of Aguero's intelligence leads the line is clear as day. Aguero runs the channels which drags the defenders all over the place, so when they have a set defence of 8 like Villa had tonight it causes confusion and drags defenders out of position, the amount of times we get in behind with our fullbacks Edin should be scoring this many goals. I don't want to criticise him at the moment to be honest, but he does go missing for large periods of the game and for me scoring a tap in doesn't always make up for it. Yaya was the same tonight, had a really poor game and then grabs a quality assist and a ridiculous goal so all is forgotten and MOTD highlight his genius.

I couldn't disagree with you more. Yaya and Edin were both excellent tonight. Yaya was at the heart of everything. The players found it tough to break through a 6-3-1 formation. It was a fantastic team performance tonight, probably the best I've seen city play this season.

Did we watch the same first half? What did either do in the first half?

 

[MSP]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

The only case for selling him would be that this is probably the moment where we'd get the most money for him. But even then, no-one's gonna pay what we paid for him. I can't believe we've got 4 players in our squad that scored over 20 goals this season. It's insane. No reason to mess about with the attacking part of our team tbh. I was always one of those people who thought we could afford to lose a striker, but not since Pellegrini likes to play 2 up front. When we won the title, we also had 4 top strikers competing for positions. We've got that again, but with much more professional players this time.

I'm not fan of top 4 strikers in a team generally but we would not be in this position without so many of them this year. Last few weeks/months was the period when pretty much only Dzeko was in form/not injured and if it was to the big number of people here, he wouldn't be here in that period (me included but from different reasons, I wanted him to move to save himself from disrespect he was getting here often)

Most of top teams these day play with only one striker on the pitch so not many of them have more than 2 quality ones but we often play with 2 up front so 3 is minimal for our style.

 

[Indestructable]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

I want a stand or a bar named after Edin, he is a legend, get in!

 

[MSP]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

Actually angry person, it wasn't me who brought up Bony if you actually read the quotes above, I just defended my previous argument. And yes, that's exactly what I'm doing, I hate Yaya he's proper rubbish ain't he. 1 point off the title so we can't discuss players performances on a football forum! If you want to come in here and try to pull someone up on something how about you get your facts straight. Also calling me a "Prick" or a "twat" really strengthens your moronic argument even further.

The quoting on my phone is fucking up but I'm sure that even MSP can work out that this is directed at him.

I'm not really the one to make friends when I see people being stupid enough to talk about players being poor before scoring 2 goals and one goal + assist respectively in a game that made their team to come one point away from the title.

It's OK if you note something like that during the game and before they make that contribution, I did say today in match thread that Zaba rarely does anything with the ball when he comes to some great attacking positions just for him to shit all over my words later, but to do it after the game and such huge contribution to three points both Dzeko and Yaya did is just miserable thing to talk about. People who think players have to be amazing during full 90 minutes, speciall if they not make some huge mistakes that cost their teams goals and points, should just not watch football.

I'd love if I could react on different way as it's not nice, and I'd probably would be better to apologize but it would be fake so I won't.

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

I don't understand why you're bringing Aguero into this. He's a completely different player who didn't play tonight.

This season I have rarely seen Dzeko go missing. Usually when he's not playing well he's making mistakes which everyone notices, they normally each get accounted for in matchday threads. That's not missing.

Don't get me wrong Aguero is world class. But he's not without faults, injury prone being one of them.

As Michael Cox put it, Aguero is difficult to play with for a number 9 (Dzeko), as evident from the Everton game. As soon as Aguero was gone, Dzeko was on fire.

Dzeko is an entirely different type of player and he's having a hard time establishing the partnership with Aguero, I dunno, somehow he was able to set the all time Bundesliga record of the most lethal partnership with Grafite, and in the Euro World Cup Qualifiers him and Ibisevic are in the top 3 of top scorers. Perhaps Dzeko's intelligence is not an issue? Maybe they are just incompatible.

Dzeko has scored 12 goals since Jan (most in Prem), heavy goals too. But you still seem to have a hard on for him for some reason.

Because outside of goals Edin doesn't offer that much to the team. His goals have been crucial as I've said on countless occasions, but if he doesn't score, more often than not he has a bad game. Next season we'll be hoping to get Jovetic fit and firing and if he can jel with Aguero then I imagine that would be the first choice pairing. Edin has been so good over the 2nd half of the season because he's been the main man, with everyone fit next season I don't think that'll be the case.

Also I think we both have different definitions of hard on.

 

[yeah whatever !!]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

Sell him and buy Bony!

fuck off!!

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

Actually angry person, it wasn't me who brought up Bony if you actually read the quotes above, I just defended my previous argument. And yes, that's exactly what I'm doing, I hate Yaya he's proper rubbish ain't he. 1 point off the title so we can't discuss players performances on a football forum! If you want to come in here and try to pull someone up on something how about you get your facts straight. Also calling me a "Prick" or a "twat" really strengthens your moronic argument even further.

The quoting on my phone is fucking up but I'm sure that even MSP can work out that this is directed at him.

I'm not really the one to make friends when I see people being stupid enough to talk about players being poor before scoring 2 goals and one goal + assist respectively in a game that made their team to come one point away from the title.

It's OK if you note something like that during the game and before they make that contribution, I did say today in match thread that Zaba rarely does anything with the ball when he comes to some great attacking positions just for him to shit all over my words later, but to do it after the game and such huge contribution to three points both Dzeko and Yaya did is just miserable thing to talk about.

I'd love if I could react on different way as it's not nice, and I'd probably would be better to apologize but it would be fake so I won't.

They were having a bad game in my opinion up until their goals and assist, this doesn't change after a goal regardless of where we are in the league. I celebrated and sang both of their names at the game, this is a forum to discuss players and their performance which is what I'm doing.

I wouldn't expect an apology off someone so aggressive.

 

[yeah whatever !!]

Re: Edin Dzeko (continued)

thanks for finally justifying your hefty price tag Edin, good luck next season.

REALLY!!! Just that equalizing goal against QPR paid off his whole transfer.
But than again I'm talking to the guy who said we should get rid and by Bony.

PMS is an idiot..