Player thread: Fernando (2014/15)

[.A.]

Re: Player thread: Fernando (2014/15

Whilst I agree on the whole, all 3 have come in for heavy criticism at points on this forum.

Exactly this ^^^^^^

Has everyone forgotten how Demichelis was slaughted playing next to him and Garcia became a favourite boo boy because of him having to cover for Yaya and people are now realising now that Garcia has gone that he actually wasn't that bad a player.

Has everyone forgot that we won 2 league titles with Yaya playing in a midfield 2? If the last 3 months have taught us anything, it's that Yaya is not the problem, we couldn't win a game without him! Yaya dominates games, dictates play, sets the tempo, he's arguably our most important player. We need someone alongside him who covers ground, reads the game, wants the ball and has quality when he receives it. Someone exactly like Fernandinho in fact! How the hell Fernando gets in ahead of him is baffling.

Yaya hasn't got any lazier, he's always been cumbersome tracking back for us; difference was Gareth Barry was a tactical genius, always occupying the key space in front of the back four, protecting us in the area Lallana and Coutinho exploited the other day. We haven't replaced him; Fernandinho is good, but not a natural sitter, and in reality we had the same issues last season, difference is we also had the firepower to out score teams and paper over the cracks.

Another under-appreciated element of Barry's game was his forward passing; simple, but precise to feet, and meant Yaya didn't have to drop so deep to get the ball from the inept Garcia or now Fernando.

He was getting older, but keeping him around for 20 important games a season, with the energy of Fernandinho next to him behind Toure would have been huge for us.

 

[bluechampion7891]

Re: Player thread: Fernando (2014/15

Exactly this ^^^^^^

Has everyone forgotten how Demichelis was slaughted playing next to him and Garcia became a favourite boo boy because of him having to cover for Yaya and people are now realising now that Garcia has gone that he actually wasn't that bad a player.

Has everyone forgot that we won 2 league titles with Yaya playing in a midfield 2? If the last 3 months have taught us anything, it's that Yaya is not the problem, we couldn't win a game without him! Yaya dominates games, dictates play, sets the tempo, he's arguably our most important player. We need someone alongside him who covers ground, reads the game, wants the ball and has quality when he receives it. Someone exactly like Fernandinho in fact! How the hell Fernando gets in ahead of him is baffling.

Yaya hasn't got any lazier, he's always been cumbersome tracking back for us; difference was Gareth Barry was a tactical genius, always occupying the key space in front of the back four, protecting us in the area Lallana and Coutinho exploited the other day. We haven't replaced him; Fernandinho is good, but not a natural sitter, and in reality we had the same issues last season, difference is we also had the firepower to out score teams and paper over the cracks.

Another under-appreciated element of Barry's game was his forward passing; simple, but precise to feet, and meant Yaya didn't have to drop so deep to get the ball from the inept Garcia or now Fernando.

He was getting older, but keeping him around for 20 important games a season, with the energy of Fernandinho next to him behind Toure would have been huge for us.

you are still remembering the Barry of 11-12.

he was far poorer in Mancini's last season

he's lost now at everton, simply not good enough

 

[.A.]

Re: Player thread: Fernando (2014/15

Has everyone forgot that we won 2 league titles with Yaya playing in a midfield 2? If the last 3 months have taught us anything, it's that Yaya is not the problem, we couldn't win a game without him! Yaya dominates games, dictates play, sets the tempo, he's arguably our most important player. We need someone alongside him who covers ground, reads the game, wants the ball and has quality when he receives it. Someone exactly like Fernandinho in fact! How the hell Fernando gets in ahead of him is baffling.

Yaya hasn't got any lazier, he's always been cumbersome tracking back for us; difference was Gareth Barry was a tactical genius, always occupying the key space in front of the back four, protecting us in the area Lallana and Coutinho exploited the other day. We haven't replaced him; Fernandinho is good, but not a natural sitter, and in reality we had the same issues last season, difference is we also had the firepower to out score teams and paper over the cracks.

Another under-appreciated element of Barry's game was his forward passing; simple, but precise to feet, and meant Yaya didn't have to drop so deep to get the ball from the inept Garcia or now Fernando.

He was getting older, but keeping him around for 20 important games a season, with the energy of Fernandinho next to him behind Toure would have been huge for us.

you are still remembering the Barry of 11-12.

he was far poorer in Mancini's last season

he's lost now at everton, simply not good enough

He was very good last season for Everton last season, and has been overused in what is a struggling Everton side this. If he was here used sparingly he'd have more than enough to be an asset to us. He'd have been no worse than Garcia and Fernando have in the past 18 months.

 

[Ray78]

Re: Player thread: Fernando (2014/15

Yaya hasn't got any lazier, he's always been cumbersome tracking back for us; difference was Gareth Barry was a tactical genius, always occupying the key space in front of the back four, protecting us in the area Lallana and Coutinho exploited the other day. We haven't replaced him; Fernandinho is good, but not a natural sitter, and in reality we had the same issues last season, difference is we also had the firepower to out score teams and paper over the cracks.

Another under-appreciated element of Barry's game was his forward passing; simple, but precise to feet, and meant Yaya didn't have to drop so deep to get the ball from the inept Garcia or now Fernando.

He was getting older, but keeping him around for 20 important games a season, with the energy of Fernandinho next to him behind Toure would have been huge for us.

you are still remembering the Barry of 11-12.

he was far poorer in Mancini's last season

he's lost now at everton, simply not good enough

He was very good last season for Everton last season, and has been overused in what is a struggling Everton side this. If he was here used sparingly he'd have more than enough to be an asset to us. He'd have been no worse than Garcia and Fernando have in the past 18 months.

Barry had a decent season but this time around he is looking like a player who is in his twilight and his final days at City we made the decision in letting him go,

 

[maineman1963]

To me it's simple. ..Fernando just isn't good enough. Slow lacks vision forgets that the aim is to pass to a team mate. Poor.

 

[Marvin]

Re: Player thread: Fernando (2014/15

Yaya hasn't got any lazier, he's always been cumbersome tracking back for us; difference was Gareth Barry was a tactical genius, always occupying the key space in front of the back four, protecting us in the area Lallana and Coutinho exploited the other day. We haven't replaced him; Fernandinho is good, but not a natural sitter, and in reality we had the same issues last season, difference is we also had the firepower to out score teams and paper over the cracks.

Another under-appreciated element of Barry's game was his forward passing; simple, but precise to feet, and meant Yaya didn't have to drop so deep to get the ball from the inept Garcia or now Fernando.

He was getting older, but keeping him around for 20 important games a season, with the energy of Fernandinho next to him behind Toure would have been huge for us.

you are still remembering the Barry of 11-12.

he was far poorer in Mancini's last season

he's lost now at everton, simply not good enough

He was very good last season for Everton last season, and has been overused in what is a struggling Everton side this. If he was here used sparingly he'd have more than enough to be an asset to us. He'd have been no worse than Garcia and Fernando have in the past 18 months.

I don't think he was. He'd arrive fractions late so many times. Still used the ball well, but his game was declining

 

[Shaelumstash]

Exactly this ^^^^^^

Has everyone forgotten how Demichelis was slaughted playing next to him and Garcia became a favourite boo boy because of him having to cover for Yaya and people are now realising now that Garcia has gone that he actually wasn't that bad a player.

Has everyone forgot that we won 2 league titles with Yaya playing in a midfield 2? If the last 3 months have taught us anything, it's that Yaya is not the problem, we couldn't win a game without him! Yaya dominates games, dictates play, sets the tempo, he's arguably our most important player. We need someone alongside him who covers ground, reads the game, wants the ball and has quality when he receives it. Someone exactly like Fernandinho in fact! How the hell Fernando gets in ahead of him is baffling.

Yaya hasn't got any lazier, he's always been cumbersome tracking back for us; difference was Gareth Barry was a tactical genius, always occupying the key space in front of the back four, protecting us in the area Lallana and Coutinho exploited the other day. We haven't replaced him; Fernandinho is good, but not a natural sitter, and in reality we had the same issues last season, difference is we also had the firepower to out score teams and paper over the cracks.

Another under-appreciated element of Barry's game was his forward passing; simple, but precise to feet, and meant Yaya didn't have to drop so deep to get the ball from the inept Garcia or now Fernando.

He was getting older, but keeping him around for 20 important games a season, with the energy of Fernandinho next to him behind Toure would have been huge for us.

Great post and I completely agree with you. In 2011/12 everyone thought Barry would be out and De Jong would play alongside Yaya. As it turned out, Barry was so good at reading the game, and used the ball so intelligently, that we didn't need an out an out defensive midfielder.

For reasons beyond me, we tried to replace De Jong with the hapless Garcia, and he simply wasn't good enough. Then we replaced Barry with Fernandinho, a box to box player who had similar attributes to Barry, but at a higher tempo. Great buy, progress, although clearly we should have kept Barry as back up.

Instead, Pellegrini and Txiki made it quits clear they didn't rate him and brought in the diabolical Fernando. Even slower than Garcia, even worse on the ball than De Jong. A signing that made no sense, and the fact he gets games ahead of Fernandinho is so ridiculous that it looks like a conspiracy.

We don't need a downgrade on De Jong, we need an upgrade on Barry.

 

[Larry Stranger]

Has everyone forgot that we won 2 league titles with Yaya playing in a midfield 2? If the last 3 months have taught us anything, it's that Yaya is not the problem, we couldn't win a game without him! Yaya dominates games, dictates play, sets the tempo, he's arguably our most important player. We need someone alongside him who covers ground, reads the game, wants the ball and has quality when he receives it. Someone exactly like Fernandinho in fact! How the hell Fernando gets in ahead of him is baffling.

Yaya hasn't got any lazier, he's always been cumbersome tracking back for us; difference was Gareth Barry was a tactical genius, always occupying the key space in front of the back four, protecting us in the area Lallana and Coutinho exploited the other day. We haven't replaced him; Fernandinho is good, but not a natural sitter, and in reality we had the same issues last season, difference is we also had the firepower to out score teams and paper over the cracks.

Another under-appreciated element of Barry's game was his forward passing; simple, but precise to feet, and meant Yaya didn't have to drop so deep to get the ball from the inept Garcia or now Fernando.

He was getting older, but keeping him around for 20 important games a season, with the energy of Fernandinho next to him behind Toure would have been huge for us.

Great post and I completely agree with you. In 2011/12 everyone thought Barry would be out and De Jong would play alongside Yaya. As it turned out, Barry was so good at reading the game, and used the ball so intelligently, that we didn't need an out an out defensive midfielder.

For reasons beyond me, we tried to replace De Jong with the hapless Garcia, and he simply wasn't good enough. Then we replaced Barry with Fernandinho, a box to box player who had similar attributes to Barry, but at a higher tempo. Great buy, progress, although clearly we should have kept Barry as back up.

Instead, Pellegrini and Txiki made it quits clear they didn't rate him and brought in the diabolical Fernando. Even slower than Garcia, even worse on the ball than De Jong. A signing that made no sense, and the fact he gets games ahead of Fernandinho is so ridiculous that it looks like a conspiracy.

We don't need a downgrade on De Jong, we need an upgrade on Barry.

The problem with Barry in the end was he was too slow to cover the ground that Yaya left open. Nearly impossible. So basically you need someone who is as good tactically like Barry, but has more pace? Let me know who because those types of players aren't exactly easy to find. No matter who we get they will have their work cut out for them in a midfield 2 with Yaya. Especially when we lose the ball and get countered on. At this point Yaya is best suited in a 4-3-3 and knowing our manager that's never going to happen.

 

[cibaman]

Barry was very good for most of his final season. The problem was that his off days were absolute stinkers. At Ajax, Southampton, Everton and the FA Cup Final.

Apart from his other attributes, we've missed having a naturally left sided midfield player. Silva's inability to track back wasnt such an issue when Barry was patrolling the left flank. Fernando and Fernandhino both like to play centrall,y up and down the middle of the pitch. They're both poor at getting across to the left to make tackles.

 

[Jack Wills]

Barry was fantastic for us, his reading of the game was superb and he covered for so many areas that we're now lacking.

De Jong was also what we needed at the time, and a better defensive midfielder than anyone in the squad we have now.

The main issue now is that Fernandinho doesn't do the Barry role as well as Barry did, and Fernando doesn't do the De Jong role anywhere near as well as De Jong did. Fernando just isn't the type of player we need, and isn't good enough to play in a title chasing team. Fernandinho is better as DM than him and it's not even his best position.

We've definitely regressed in midfield in my opinion.