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Player thread: Fernando (2014/15)
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MeatHunterrr
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Re: Fernando
pushes too high up the pitch, needs to stay deeper. Certainly not made for midfield 2.
pushes too high up the pitch, needs to stay deeper. Certainly not made for midfield 2.
Re: Fernando
After he got the early yellow card he went downhill. When we play the 2 Fernys together we do not play flowing football.
We need a 3 in midfield against Chelsea , Stoke , etc............when we have no Yaya - ACON duty
MihaiCity said:he is not built to play in a 2-man MD...he is a pure defensive MD who stays in front of defence and clean it up and to get the better of him you need to play him a 3-man MD....i hope to god that with yaya gone MP will not try a 2-man MD with both ferns against arsenal and chelsea othetrwise these 2 will kill us
After he got the early yellow card he went downhill. When we play the 2 Fernys together we do not play flowing football.
We need a 3 in midfield against Chelsea , Stoke , etc............when we have no Yaya - ACON duty
Re: Fernando
Has had a couple of good games, particularly V Roma, but not overly impressed with him so far. Seems to give the ball away sloppily too often for someone who should primarily win the ball back and retain possession. More of a Garcia than a Fernandinho, and I think players who don't pass quickly or well enough cause problems for our team.
With Garcia I always felt he was doing what he thought his job description was, win the ball back, pass to the nearest man. But it had an adverse effect on our attacking play. I don't mind a specialist DM as a squad player and for big CL and PL games when we are required to defend more than we usually do. But week in week out I think we play worse when we have one in the team, Garcia first and now Fernando. And it doesn't seem to stop results like the one yesterday, then I'm not sure what benefit there is. If we must have a DM, I think we have to have one who's passing is of a very high quality or our game is thrown off. Someone like Alex Song maybe a better fit for us then this unflashy, technically bereft tough tackling DM we keep trying to sign.
De Jong blah blah, but he played in a more defensively minded Mancini team, and mostly lost his place when we expanded the attacking side of our game in 2012. I would like to see Fernandinho and Yaya start every game they can together tbh, and Fernando should only really play in a 5 and when a lot of defending is required I.E Chelsea away or Barca at the neu camp or something like that. Otherwise you just have a square peg in a round hole.
Has had a couple of good games, particularly V Roma, but not overly impressed with him so far. Seems to give the ball away sloppily too often for someone who should primarily win the ball back and retain possession. More of a Garcia than a Fernandinho, and I think players who don't pass quickly or well enough cause problems for our team.
With Garcia I always felt he was doing what he thought his job description was, win the ball back, pass to the nearest man. But it had an adverse effect on our attacking play. I don't mind a specialist DM as a squad player and for big CL and PL games when we are required to defend more than we usually do. But week in week out I think we play worse when we have one in the team, Garcia first and now Fernando. And it doesn't seem to stop results like the one yesterday, then I'm not sure what benefit there is. If we must have a DM, I think we have to have one who's passing is of a very high quality or our game is thrown off. Someone like Alex Song maybe a better fit for us then this unflashy, technically bereft tough tackling DM we keep trying to sign.
De Jong blah blah, but he played in a more defensively minded Mancini team, and mostly lost his place when we expanded the attacking side of our game in 2012. I would like to see Fernandinho and Yaya start every game they can together tbh, and Fernando should only really play in a 5 and when a lot of defending is required I.E Chelsea away or Barca at the neu camp or something like that. Otherwise you just have a square peg in a round hole.
BlueAnorak
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Re: Fernando
Fernando. Is he an upgrade on Garcia? On yesterday's evidence the answer has to be no.
He certainly has the pace but his threat vision is poor compared with Garcia as is his ability in the air.
As to the partnership with Fernandiniho, sorry but it doesn't work.
Pellers needs to play one or the other with Milner when YaYa departs for the ACON.
Fernando. Is he an upgrade on Garcia? On yesterday's evidence the answer has to be no.
He certainly has the pace but his threat vision is poor compared with Garcia as is his ability in the air.
As to the partnership with Fernandiniho, sorry but it doesn't work.
Pellers needs to play one or the other with Milner when YaYa departs for the ACON.
Re: Fernando
Another knee jerker! A one legged leper was an upgrade on Garcia!BlueAnorak said:Fernando. Is he an upgrade on Garcia? On yesterday's evidence the answer has to be no.
He certainly has the pace but his threat vision is poor compared with Garcia as is his ability in the air.
As to the partnership with Fernandiniho, sorry but it doesn't work.
Pellers needs to play one or the other with Milner when YaYa departs for the ACON.
Neville Kneville
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Inconsistent at the moment. Due to fitness imo.
Probably much better next season once he's used to the pace, as was the case with Garcia.
Partnership with Fernandinho, superb vs Roma, average vs Burnley. Probably be fine again if he has a more of a rest inbetween games.
Inconsistent at the moment. Due to fitness imo.
Probably much better next season once he's used to the pace, as was the case with Garcia.
Partnership with Fernandinho, superb vs Roma, average vs Burnley. Probably be fine again if he has a more of a rest inbetween games.
Re: Fernando
The difference between playing a team that builds an attack in front of you and one that bypasses you completely
The pair of them, and the coaches to be fair, need to be better prepared for stopping the Burnleys of this world playing the way they want. It's arrogance not to take into account the qualities, if you can call them that, of the opposition. I thought we were guilty of that on Sunday. We had no way of stopping their threat and the substitutions actually made us worse in terms of shape
Neville Kneville said:Partnership with Fernandinho, superb vs Roma, average vs Burnley. Probably be fine again if he has a more of a rest inbetween games.
The difference between playing a team that builds an attack in front of you and one that bypasses you completely
The pair of them, and the coaches to be fair, need to be better prepared for stopping the Burnleys of this world playing the way they want. It's arrogance not to take into account the qualities, if you can call them that, of the opposition. I thought we were guilty of that on Sunday. We had no way of stopping their threat and the substitutions actually made us worse in terms of shape
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Re: Fernando
I liked Garcia last season, his performances at the end helped us win the league..
Fernando needs to get Prem fit, he looks off the pace. Hopefully he will be much better in the 2nd half of the season..
I liked Garcia last season, his performances at the end helped us win the league..
Fernando needs to get Prem fit, he looks off the pace. Hopefully he will be much better in the 2nd half of the season..
chris85mcfc
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Re: Fernando
Better suited to playing away at Roma, than at home against Burnley
Their mantra against Roma was to sit in tight and protect the back 4 which they did perfectly
Against Burnley both are being asked to help start attacks, which sees the whole team more open, which leaves us open to counter attacks
Personally i don't rate Fernando, but we couldn't have got much more with £12 million so IMO he isn't a bad signing
Neville Kneville said:Inconsistent at the moment. Due to fitness imo.
Probably much better next season once he's used to the pace, as was the case with Garcia.
Partnership with Fernandinho, superb vs Roma, average vs Burnley. Probably be fine again if he has a more of a rest inbetween games.
Better suited to playing away at Roma, than at home against Burnley
Their mantra against Roma was to sit in tight and protect the back 4 which they did perfectly
Against Burnley both are being asked to help start attacks, which sees the whole team more open, which leaves us open to counter attacks
Personally i don't rate Fernando, but we couldn't have got much more with £12 million so IMO he isn't a bad signing
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