Player thread: Vincent Kompany (2014/15)

[mancity1]

Reluctant captain? Where the fuck have you grabbed that little nugget from? This man has represented our club with pride, passion and dignity, and has led us through the biggest transistion in the club's history, and you want to take the captaincy off him, and think his reaction would be 'thanks very much'? Deluded.

We need to improve our on field leadership qualities if we are to begin the road of getting some respect in Europe especially and it won't happen under VK's captaincy.

Tell me, do you consider the last 2 winners of the Champions League, Bayern and Madrid to have Captains with on field leadership qualities? Is so, please provide an insight.

If your are referring to Philipp Lahm I certainly know who I would have as captain of my side if it was a choice between him and VK.

You are missing the point and we can agree to disagree , despite the form slump ( hasn't produced a single performance that even goes close to his best for us ) and the poor rate of return when Vinny is in the side this year and despite the injuries he still has a role to play at the club and most likely will for at least the next two seasons.

Are you concerned that if he was dropped as captain and say Joe Hart took over in the interim until a player who could inspire others with deeds and tactics and encouragement etc every time they took to the field that he would no longer get a game?

He has been a stalwart and yes captain of two premiership winning sides but we have to look to the future now , the past is the past , you can choose to live in it if you want to.

I am more concerned and prefer to focus on the present and the future and if we are to progress we have to look to a replacement to a captain who is not a leader of men and quite frankly never has been.

Good centre back yes , good for the club in terms of his demeanour off the field but not someone who inspires others , not someone that people will walk through the jungle for , not someone that you want to put that extra challenge in for , not someone that players say hey I want to play because of him and him alone.

While its likely he only put his name to the sports bars I am not surprised they have gone awol so quickly despite his name and while its nothing to do with his abilities on the field and his ability to lead its another example of Vinny being able to motivate himself although that has been in sad decline this season but an inability to motivate others.

Even his dribble to the press is sounding like a broken record now and has no inspiration behind it hence the fact he is smart enough to downplay it now in terms of the number of interviews he gives and other players have become our spokes people on MCTV etc more frequently than in past years.

If he was to give a public lecture or speech most of the audience would switch off or fall asleep very quickly and again that does say something about him as well.

Probably a decent bloke , decent footballer when fully fit but lets leave it at that.

I want much more from our next leader and I know we will because that's what been the missing link even when we were paying out on other sides which we don't do nearly as often as we did under his leadership and believe me will do so even less frequently next season if he is still captain.

 

[BLUE THUNDER]

Cant believe tht crap being thrown up about Vinny. A bad run of form and the knives are out..short memories...incredible
He will bounce back and people will eat their words, He's not the first player to have a form slump and he is not the only one in the team down on form either.
He is still only 28 and he IS a great leader. 2 x premiership captain. Will be a rock for us for years to come.

As the song goes..."here's to you Vincent Kompany, Man City loves you more than yo will know......

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt4If8kyOCU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt4If8kyOCU</a>

 

[Eccles Blue]

Cant believe tht crap being thrown up about Vinny. A bad run of form and the knives are out..short memories...incredible
He will bounce back and people will eat their words, He's not the first player to have a form slump and he is not the only one in the team down on form either.
He is still only 28 and he IS a great leader. 2 x premiership captain. Will be a rock for us for years to come.

As the song goes..."here's to you Vincent Kompany, Man City loves you more than yo will know......

<a class="postlink" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt4If8kyOCU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt4If8kyOCU</a>

This all the way. Vinny & the lads will do it tonight. Come on you Blues. Come on City.

 

[Damocles]

It's difficult to take anyone seriously that quotes Kompany's salary at 200k a week.

Kompany signed a new deal in 2012 on £200,000 a week.

As City restructured their contracts to the Barca model, where the basic wage was dropped but the bonus structure was massively increased, Kompany then signed a new deal with City thought to be about £120,000 a week basic but the ability to earn more.

Considering we adopted this model as a FFP loophole and that Barca's total wage bill after bonuses was the highest in the entirety of sport, and various books and quotes have recorded Barca's performance incentives as stupidly obtainable then the idea that Kompany ISN'T earning £200,000 a week is madness. He was already doing it before the new contracts came in, the idea that he'd sign a restructured deal that will garner him less money is ludicrous.

It's difficult to take anyone seriously that quotes Kompany's salary at 200k a week.

Mmm hmm.

Tribal Football, sporting intelligence and some no marks blog are your sources, seriously? The Guardian have 4 or 5 different articles quoting different numbers as well.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet or forums, I don't.

They were the first results in Google, I can find more backing up any of the above that you want.

And my argument is that here's a bunch of sources stating what I said is true. You don't have an argument, you just have a rejection of an argument.

Here's a replacement for the Tribal Football source, talking about City's incentivised contracts and the way that they have changed. This is so well known even on here that I'm amazed you even need a source for this.

Here's a replacement for the Sporting Intelligence source which for some reason you don't like. It's a link to Barcelona's accounts showing their wage bill

The contract structures used at Barcelona and now City, and the easily achievable bonuses, are laid out in detail in Ferran Soriano's book

I'm sure you'll come up with yet another attempt to bend reality because the idea that you might not know everything in the entire world is somehow too large of a gap for you to bridge, and denial is so much easier.

 

[Phil1]

We need to improve our on field leadership qualities if we are to begin the road of getting some respect in Europe especially and it won't happen under VK's captaincy.

Tell me, do you consider the last 2 winners of the Champions League, Bayern and Madrid to have Captains with on field leadership qualities? Is so, please provide an insight.

If your are referring to Philipp Lahm I certainly know who I would have as captain of my side if it was a choice between him and VK.

You are missing the point and we can agree to disagree , despite the form slump ( hasn't produced a single performance that even goes close to his best for us ) and the poor rate of return when Vinny is in the side this year and despite the injuries he still has a role to play at the club and most likely will for at least the next two seasons.

Are you concerned that if he was dropped as captain and say Joe Hart took over in the interim until a player who could inspire others with deeds and tactics and encouragement etc every time they took to the field that he would no longer get a game?

He has been a stalwart and yes captain of two premiership winning sides but we have to look to the future now , the past is the past , you can choose to live in it if you want to.

I am more concerned and prefer to focus on the present and the future and if we are to progress we have to look to a replacement to a captain who is not a leader of men and quite frankly never has been.

Good centre back yes , good for the club in terms of his demeanour off the field but not someone who inspires others , not someone that people will walk through the jungle for , not someone that you want to put that extra challenge in for , not someone that players say hey I want to play because of him and him alone.

While its likely he only put his name to the sports bars I am not surprised they have gone awol so quickly despite his name and while its nothing to do with his abilities on the field and his ability to lead its another example of Vinny being able to motivate himself although that has been in sad decline this season but an inability to motivate others.

Even his dribble to the press is sounding like a broken record now and has no inspiration behind it hence the fact he is smart enough to downplay it now in terms of the number of interviews he gives and other players have become our spokes people on MCTV etc more frequently than in past years.

If he was to give a public lecture or speech most of the audience would switch off or fall asleep very quickly and again that does say something about him as well.

Probably a decent bloke , decent footballer when fully fit but lets leave it at that.

I want much more from our next leader and I know we will because that's what been the missing link even when we were paying out on other sides which we don't do nearly as often as we did under his leadership and believe me will do so even less frequently next season if he is still captain.

You can want as much as you like, the truth is Kompany will still be our captain next season and deservedly so.
Regardless of what you might think Vinny still has a big presence on the pitch and is highly regarded by his fellow pros and people inside the game. The fact he's such a good spokesperson in interviews is one of the reasons he will remain with the armband - I get the sense that how he carries himself off the field is as important to the owners as his on field performances. He will be somebody who the youngsters look up to, from U8's through to U21's, they will have seen how he's carries himself, how he behaves and it'll have done them nothing but good. I honestly don't know where you get the idea that players won't "walk through the jungle" for him when all evidence points to them doing it the past - unless we're letting Kompany alone to shoulder the blame for this season?
The fact that he's often spoke about being up there with the best CB's on the planet won't do him any harm either, nor will his record at lifting trophies.
To take away his captaincy would be a severe error of judgement.
I get people being unhappy with his form, what he needs is the club, and supporters full backing. More importantly he needs to see some new blood in the team, players who will bust a gut as well as those with the sublime skills. I get the feeling that a lethargy has set in with a core of the squad which is going to be hard to shift unless they're moved on.
For me that's why this summer is huge for the board in terms of how we push forward. Same managers, same players and I fear we will go backwards. Same players different manager and it'll be a similar situation to last year where the bump will probably see us lift a trophy befoe deja vu sets in, same manager with some real quality signings I'd be willing to give a chance to - like I said, a lot of decisions.

I find it a bit odd that you mention Hart being given the captaincy in the interim when he's on even shakier ground than Kompany. His form won't be inspiring anyone.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Kompany signed a new deal in 2012 on £200,000 a week.

As City restructured their contracts to the Barca model, where the basic wage was dropped but the bonus structure was massively increased, Kompany then signed a new deal with City thought to be about £120,000 a week basic but the ability to earn more.

Considering we adopted this model as a FFP loophole and that Barca's total wage bill after bonuses was the highest in the entirety of sport, and various books and quotes have recorded Barca's performance incentives as stupidly obtainable then the idea that Kompany ISN'T earning £200,000 a week is madness. He was already doing it before the new contracts came in, the idea that he'd sign a restructured deal that will garner him less money is ludicrous.



Mmm hmm.

Tribal Football, sporting intelligence and some no marks blog are your sources, seriously? The Guardian have 4 or 5 different articles quoting different numbers as well.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet or forums, I don't.

They were the first results in Google, I can find more backing up any of the above that you want.

And my argument is that here's a bunch of sources stating what I said is true. You don't have an argument, you just have a rejection of an argument.

Here's a replacement for the Tribal Football source, talking about City's incentivised contracts and the way that they have changed. This is so well known even on here that I'm amazed you even need a source for this.

Here's a replacement for the Sporting Intelligence source which for some reason you don't like. It's a link to Barcelona's accounts showing their wage bill

The contract structures used at Barcelona and now City, and the easily achievable bonuses, are laid out in detail in Ferran Soriano's book

I'm sure you'll come up with yet another attempt to bend reality because the idea that you might not know everything in the entire world is somehow too large of a gap for you to bridge, and denial is so much easier.

You can quote all the blogs and fictitious media you need to prove the invalidity of your opinion , i would take the opinions of Carragher , Souness , Hoddle , Neville etc etc who have all clearly stated that VK is a world class defender and leader . You carry on with your deluded ramblings , spend a few more hours on google , it wont matter a jot to the vast majority of blues , infact you are making yourself look not only ingnorant but arrogant , with your dismissal of others peoples opinions and insulting other peoples intelligence. The fact is , you are being trampled all over on this thread , and your getting a bit desperate now , best to leave this , if you cant accept a different opinion , perhaps football forums in the end , are'nt for you..........Have you tried care in the community ? Send a PM if your want to carry on proving how bright you are.

 

[mancity1]

Tell me, do you consider the last 2 winners of the Champions League, Bayern and Madrid to have Captains with on field leadership qualities? Is so, please provide an insight.

If your are referring to Philipp Lahm I certainly know who I would have as captain of my side if it was a choice between him and VK.

You are missing the point and we can agree to disagree , despite the form slump ( hasn't produced a single performance that even goes close to his best for us ) and the poor rate of return when Vinny is in the side this year and despite the injuries he still has a role to play at the club and most likely will for at least the next two seasons.

Are you concerned that if he was dropped as captain and say Joe Hart took over in the interim until a player who could inspire others with deeds and tactics and encouragement etc every time they took to the field that he would no longer get a game?

He has been a stalwart and yes captain of two premiership winning sides but we have to look to the future now , the past is the past , you can choose to live in it if you want to.

I am more concerned and prefer to focus on the present and the future and if we are to progress we have to look to a replacement to a captain who is not a leader of men and quite frankly never has been.

Good centre back yes , good for the club in terms of his demeanour off the field but not someone who inspires others , not someone that people will walk through the jungle for , not someone that you want to put that extra challenge in for , not someone that players say hey I want to play because of him and him alone.

While its likely he only put his name to the sports bars I am not surprised they have gone awol so quickly despite his name and while its nothing to do with his abilities on the field and his ability to lead its another example of Vinny being able to motivate himself although that has been in sad decline this season but an inability to motivate others.

Even his dribble to the press is sounding like a broken record now and has no inspiration behind it hence the fact he is smart enough to downplay it now in terms of the number of interviews he gives and other players have become our spokes people on MCTV etc more frequently than in past years.

If he was to give a public lecture or speech most of the audience would switch off or fall asleep very quickly and again that does say something about him as well.

Probably a decent bloke , decent footballer when fully fit but lets leave it at that.

I want much more from our next leader and I know we will because that's what been the missing link even when we were paying out on other sides which we don't do nearly as often as we did under his leadership and believe me will do so even less frequently next season if he is still captain.

You can want as much as you like, the truth is Kompany will still be our captain next season and deservedly so.
Regardless of what you might think Vinny still has a big presence on the pitch and is highly regarded by his fellow pros and people inside the game. The fact he's such a good spokesperson in interviews is one of the reasons he will remain with the armband - I get the sense that how he carries himself off the field is as important to the owners as his on field performances. He will be somebody who the youngsters look up to, from U8's through to U21's, they will have seen how he's carries himself, how he behaves and it'll have done them nothing but good. I honestly don't know where you get the idea that players won't "walk through the jungle" for him when all evidence points to them doing it the past - unless we're letting Kompany alone to shoulder the blame for this season?
The fact that he's often spoke about being up there with the best CB's on the planet won't do him any harm either, nor will his record at lifting trophies.
To take away his captaincy would be a severe error of judgement.
I get people being unhappy with his form, what he needs is the club, and supporters full backing. More importantly he needs to see some new blood in the team, players who will bust a gut as well as those with the sublime skills. I get the feeling that a lethargy has set in with a core of the squad which is going to be hard to shift unless they're moved on.
For me that's why this summer is huge for the board in terms of how we push forward. Same managers, same players and I fear we will go backwards. Same players different manager and it'll be a similar situation to last year where the bump will probably see us lift a trophy befoe deja vu sets in, same manager with some real quality signings I'd be willing to give a chance to - like I said, a lot of decisions.

I find it a bit odd that you mention Hart being given the captaincy in the interim when he's on even shakier ground than Kompany. His form won't be inspiring anyone.

Interesting you said same players , same manager and we will go backwards.

This is a real possibility at least with the core group ( perhaps YAYA aside ) ( with a few ins and outs ) and again it speaks indirectly to who we have leading this group on the field at present.

I don't think for one minute VK would alter his passion for the club and the way he conducts himself on and off the field if the captaincy was given to someone we do bring in over summer with the credentials to lead us into the next stage of our development.

It would be the best thing for Viinny personally I have absolutely no doubt about at this stage of his career and the fact he has held the post for sometime now that at all but as you say unless we recruit that person and Vinny stays with us its not going to happen.

In the AFL Hawthorn made the bold but brilliant decision to take the captaincy off their best midfielder and give it to their spiritual leader who happened to be at the club at the time ( I say our next captain is not at our club at present and only through Hart as a hypothetical to illustrate onother point ( I don't want him as our next captain by the way but he wouldn't be the first goal keeper to captain a Chumps League winning side and will be at the club longer than Vinny will notwithstanding some unusual circumstance ) and the rest is history as they say.

If that captain was in our squad at present I would name him and that's the point of my assertion.

Whether he is or not is pure speculation on both our parts at the moment.

You cannot say he will be as you just don't know.

There will be a few "surprises" with this squad over the summer and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them involves Vinny.

Who knows what will happen in the next 9 games let alone the summer but I would not be surprised at all if we start next season with a new captain.

In fact I am expecting it but just like Burnley ( although I was not the slightest bit surprised we came up short in that game with Vinny at the helm ) you don't always get what you expect.

Saturday against Brom with or without Vinny starting will be a tough one for us as well.

Lets hope if he does he is part of a side that keeps a clean sheet for we will need one to stay ahead of Arsenal and Manure no doubt.

As for the manager if MP goes I would think it nailed on VK won't start next season as captain.

 

[NQCitizen]

Reluctant captain? Where the fuck have you grabbed that little nugget from? This man has represented our club with pride, passion and dignity, and has led us through the biggest transistion in the club's history, and you want to take the captaincy off him, and think his reaction would be 'thanks very much'? Deluded.

We need to improve our on field leadership qualities if we are to begin the road of getting some respect in Europe especially and it won't happen under VK's captaincy.

Tell me, do you consider the last 2 winners of the Champions League, Bayern and Madrid to have Captains with on field leadership qualities? Is so, please provide an insight.

The last two captains to win world cups?

That doesn't even include Schweinsteiger, Alonso or Ramos.

 

[Damocles]

Tribal Football, sporting intelligence and some no marks blog are your sources, seriously? The Guardian have 4 or 5 different articles quoting different numbers as well.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet or forums, I don't.

They were the first results in Google, I can find more backing up any of the above that you want.

And my argument is that here's a bunch of sources stating what I said is true. You don't have an argument, you just have a rejection of an argument.

Here's a replacement for the Tribal Football source, talking about City's incentivised contracts and the way that they have changed. This is so well known even on here that I'm amazed you even need a source for this.

Here's a replacement for the Sporting Intelligence source which for some reason you don't like. It's a link to Barcelona's accounts showing their wage bill

The contract structures used at Barcelona and now City, and the easily achievable bonuses, are laid out in detail in Ferran Soriano's book

I'm sure you'll come up with yet another attempt to bend reality because the idea that you might not know everything in the entire world is somehow too large of a gap for you to bridge, and denial is so much easier.

You can quote all the blogs and fictitious media you need to prove the invalidity of your opinion , i would take the opinions of Carragher , Souness , Hoddle , Neville etc etc who have all clearly stated that VK is a world class defender and leader . You carry on with your deluded ramblings , spend a few more hours on google , it wont matter a jot to the vast majority of blues , infact you are making yourself look not only ingnorant but arrogant , with your dismissal of others peoples opinions and insulting other peoples intelligence. The fact is , you are being trampled all over on this thread , and your getting a bit desperate now , best to leave this , if you cant accept a different opinion , perhaps football forums in the end , are'nt for you..........Have you tried care in the community ? Send a PM if your want to carry on proving how bright you are.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. We're not even talking about that in those posts, genius.

Yet more proof that you're literally arguing with a post without actually reading it.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha, amazing when people show themselves up like that. I love it.

 

[mancity1]

They were the first results in Google, I can find more backing up any of the above that you want.

And my argument is that here's a bunch of sources stating what I said is true. You don't have an argument, you just have a rejection of an argument.

Here's a replacement for the Tribal Football source, talking about City's incentivised contracts and the way that they have changed. This is so well known even on here that I'm amazed you even need a source for this.

Here's a replacement for the Sporting Intelligence source which for some reason you don't like. It's a link to Barcelona's accounts showing their wage bill

The contract structures used at Barcelona and now City, and the easily achievable bonuses, are laid out in detail in Ferran Soriano's book

I'm sure you'll come up with yet another attempt to bend reality because the idea that you might not know everything in the entire world is somehow too large of a gap for you to bridge, and denial is so much easier.

You can quote all the blogs and fictitious media you need to prove the invalidity of your opinion , i would take the opinions of Carragher , Souness , Hoddle , Neville etc etc who have all clearly stated that VK is a world class defender and leader . You carry on with your deluded ramblings , spend a few more hours on google , it wont matter a jot to the vast majority of blues , infact you are making yourself look not only ingnorant but arrogant , with your dismissal of others peoples opinions and insulting other peoples intelligence. The fact is , you are being trampled all over on this thread , and your getting a bit desperate now , best to leave this , if you cant accept a different opinion , perhaps football forums in the end , are'nt for you..........Have you tried care in the community ? Send a PM if your want to carry on proving how bright you are.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha. We're not even talking about that in those posts, genius.

Yet more proof that you're literally arguing with a post without actually reading it.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha, amazing when people show themselves up like that. I love it.

Sorry to interject but VK is well paid and deserves to be.

When you try to infer you speak for the majority and say you are being trampled on at the same time its usually an admission you are losing the argument.

Try how to influence people and win arguments lesson 101 and you will change your tack next time.

I don't hear many pundits though talking about his leadership of players these days in fact even in his best moments and don't get we wrong there were many and hopefully many more to come ( tonight would be terrific for example ) but I heard and read and saw him go about his about his work for us and Belgium in central defence as a leader of men not that often as it turned out.

Maybe upsetting to many precious people on here but I have never heard him compared to Adams , Keane , PV just to name a few in the premiership leadership wise and to be truthful at his best he is in my opinion as good a player in a side doing the business as they were if not better.

But leadership as opposed to being the leader or captain , call me naive but I have never viewed them as one and the same and last time I took a leadership course neither did the instructor.