He's stepped up, nominally and after the event. Normally when someone says someone has stepped up, I assume they mean to somewhere near the line of the other defenders, not just their own one man offside trap. Very Demichelis-esque. Him and Clichy are entirely at fault there, for not reading the game properly. Fuck all you can do if someone runs two yards behind you but isn't offside because your mates are asleep.
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Player Topic: Eliaquim Mangala (2015/16)
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I think it is fair to say, based on the amount of goals we are conceding, that all the defenders have room for improvement with the exception of Kompany who has been fine when he has played and organised the back line well.
It also is a team game and the rest of the side could also work a bit harder on helping by defending from the front.
It also is a team game and the rest of the side could also work a bit harder on helping by defending from the front.
I'm not blaming Manuel for making anyone 'shit' I'm questioning the way he has handled a young centre back like Mangala. At the start of the season Mangala looked confident and in some games I thought he performed better then Kompany. Remember Boateng, apparently he was 'shit' aswel.You couldn't possibly be further from the truth. Blaming MP for making Mangala being shit. Fuck me I've heard it all now
He hasn't stepped up there, not to anywhere near anyone else is, it's not remotely Mangala's fault that his CB partner has stood 10 yards behind him and not realised what he's done until it's too late(while Clichy casually jogs back oblivious to it all just to make sure it's not offisde). He's played everyone onside, then after the ball has been passed he's stepped up.
Mangala isn't out of position there, at all, no part of what you said led to him being out of position. You've made out that he's been made a mistake and been unable to get back in time to be in position, which is just untrue, as he'd been back in position for a while at the point of that pass. He's on the far side because they have 3 men there, he's exactly where he should be. Otamendi is out of position, because he's asleep. If he's paying attention then he's filtered across to compensate for Mangala having to go out to the wing, preventing the man from being able to run in directly on goal (like Mangala did for the first goal where the guy breezed round the outside of Otamendi).
Care to explain for Mangala backed off for the second goal? Because it seems pretty clear to me that he has to track that runner on his shoulder. As soon as he gets in a position to both cut out the passing lane and confront the attacker, he did. Then you claim he doesn't get back in position, which he does. Unlike Otamendi, who again just goes walkabout again and never even manages to get back in the box.
You are criticising him for the mistakes of others.
I can't seem to upload clips so youtube will have to do;Also, that first great chance of the game, when Otamendi stepped up as well, Mangala first ran up to halfway and then didn't jump for the ball, let it bounce over him, got out muscled for it then, while out of position got done down the left.
11 seconds in, there he is running to the halfway line; instead of sending the ball back to where it came, he gets caught underneath it being too rash and he lets it bounce. It goes over his head and he subsequently gets out muscled for the ball. How then is it that "no part of what I said led to him being out of position"??? He's not out on the left because they've worked the ball out there and gotten men over, it's only there because of his initial mistake that the ball gets there. He gets turned when he should be imposing, this "bully" you speak of and head that clear. Especially as he's squeezing high up, exactly when you said he is a bully but instead he gets caught under the ball.
Then at 1:27, for the second goal. He turns his back on the ball. Firstly, that's inexcusable for any defender, no excuse for anyone that does that that's poor. Then look at his reactions... THAT's what I mean by standing in treacle. He stands there and watches the ball bounce in the box before reacting, very very slow and again poor from a supposed bully. Again, clear as day, he literally just stood there and watched before jogging back in and not to the far post to cover a man like you incorrectly stated.
Yes, Otamendi and others made mistakes to; costly ones. Which is why I added that stepping up mistake, but as this is the Mangala thread I'll focus on the instances on which he was poor and he was in those instances. You've accused me of lying and making things up then they are as clear as day. I described the moments leading to that first chance pretty well, not some "fictitious back story". He was very poor in the first half.
Not one thing I have said is a lie or didn't happen, especially Otamendi stepping up! apology please.
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Pudge, what the fuck are you watching mate? He turns having blocked the shot to see where the ball has gone at which point he RUNS back into the box.
Just looking at that first but again that you're criticising him for, he did enough to knock the ball out of the player's possession after he let it bounce, Kolarov is dozing and doesn't react quick enough.
All you're proving here is that you are seeing what you want to see due to preconceived perceptions you have of Mangala.
Just looking at that first but again that you're criticising him for, he did enough to knock the ball out of the player's possession after he let it bounce, Kolarov is dozing and doesn't react quick enough.
All you're proving here is that you are seeing what you want to see due to preconceived perceptions you have of Mangala.
I can't seem to upload clips so youtube will have to do;
11 seconds in, there he is running to the halfway line; instead of sending the ball back to where it came, he gets caught underneath it being too rash and he lets it bounce. It goes over his head and he subsequently gets out muscled for the ball. How then is it that "no part of what I said led to him being out of position"??? He's not out on the left because they've worked the ball out there and gotten men over, it's only there because of his initial mistake that the ball gets there. He gets turned when he should be imposing, this "bully" you speak of and head that clear. Especially as he's squeezing high up, exactly when you said he is a bully but instead he gets caught under the ball.
Then at 1:27, for the second goal. He turns his back on the ball. Firstly, that's inexcusable for any defender, no excuse for anyone that does that that's poor. Then look at his reactions... THAT's what I mean by standing in treacle. He stands there and watches the ball bounce in the box before reacting, very very slow and again poor from a supposed bully. Again, clear as day, he literally just stood there and watched before jogging back in and not to the far post to cover a man like you incorrectly stated.
Yes, Otamendi and others made mistakes to; costly ones. Which is why I added that stepping up mistake, but as this is the Mangala thread I'll focus on the instances on which he was poor and he was in those instances. You've accused me of lying and making things up then they are as clear as day. I described the moments leading to that first chance pretty well, not some "fictitious back story". He was very poor in the first half.
Not one thing I have said is a lie or didn't happen, especially Otamendi stepping up! apology please.
Honestly, all this is just the most biased assessment of a situation possible, your criticism of him on the second goal borders on the absurd. He blocks a shot, then takes a millisecond to collect himself, then runs back into the passing lane for the two men at the far post, who the ball doesn't go to. There was absolutely nothing wrong with that piece of defending whatsoever and the goal has absolutely nothing to do with him.
As for the first incident, you seem to be deciding he's been "outmuscled" there, despite the fact that he actually gets a foot on the ball and tackles the guy and forces him out to the wing. He's not been remotely outmuscled, nor has it left him out of position, the guy tries to muscle past him and go forwards and he stops him and deflects the ball out to the touchline. Your entire argument is based around both him and the striker misjudging the ball in the air, which happens hundreds of times in a game of football and he recovered from it perfectly reasonably.
All your criticisms are pretty much just in your own head. You've decided to try and blame him for things that aren't his fault, so have gone searching for tiny incidents to back it up, instead of the glaringly obvious ones by other players.
@BigOscar with all due respect, how you can accuse anyone of being biased is ridiculous.
I haven't blamed him for a goal, or blamed him for our overall shite defending. I've just highlighted instances in which he was poor. As for "other player" why would I discuss said things in detail in this thread? I mentioned Otamendi's mistake in stepping up and he made others, he was rash with his tackle for the second. Again, this is the Mangala thread, I won't try and shift focus away from the topic like some.
The striker also didn't misjudge it, he spun in behind having sucked Mangala in. Bony/Iheancacho/Aguero does that and we're praising how they've made the defender look a mug. Phil Jones turns his back on a shot and we're laughing at him.
Can both of you please find these "preconceived" notions I have of him, because since he's been here, especially last season all I've done is assure others he'll be a beast. So I'll welcome these posts. Apologies for not shying away when he does something wrong, God forbid I use the player's own thread to do so, I didn't think I'd have to slag every other player off as a prerequisite. You also accused me of lying and making things up, you may not agree with my view of them but I did no such thing.
I haven't blamed him for a goal, or blamed him for our overall shite defending. I've just highlighted instances in which he was poor. As for "other player" why would I discuss said things in detail in this thread? I mentioned Otamendi's mistake in stepping up and he made others, he was rash with his tackle for the second. Again, this is the Mangala thread, I won't try and shift focus away from the topic like some.
The striker also didn't misjudge it, he spun in behind having sucked Mangala in. Bony/Iheancacho/Aguero does that and we're praising how they've made the defender look a mug. Phil Jones turns his back on a shot and we're laughing at him.
Can both of you please find these "preconceived" notions I have of him, because since he's been here, especially last season all I've done is assure others he'll be a beast. So I'll welcome these posts. Apologies for not shying away when he does something wrong, God forbid I use the player's own thread to do so, I didn't think I'd have to slag every other player off as a prerequisite. You also accused me of lying and making things up, you may not agree with my view of them but I did no such thing.
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Honestly, all this is just the most biased assessment of a situation possibl
It's a mad assessment that shows a disappointing grasp of basic defensive concepts
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