Player topic: Frank Lampard (2014/15)

Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11

Didsbury Dave said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
agueroooo Stupendous! said:
Well let's see, I have a degree in finance and I studded corporate management. Also, my work is related in a way to this sector, so I guess you could say that I'm familiar with this thing.
Next you'll be telling us you're on LinkedIn.

Don't know why you're teasing him. His corporate strategy is known as the "Adrian Mole" strategy and is one that is often recommended on Bluemoon during difficult transfer negotiations. "We should just tell him to fuck off" is the usual suggested methodology. It doesn't matter how many tens of millions are involved. The trick to its successful application is to see life as a teenage disco.

Hey douchebag, will you let Adrian Mole express himself and fuck off.
Tens of million ha, did that scare you off.
You Know this is going to be out of your fucking pocket money dude......LoL
 
Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11

Seinfeld is a show about nothing !

NYCFC is a team that done nothing ...LoL

never play a match
never kick a ball
never had a chant from a fan
no record what so ever

So , how could MCFC you extended lampard loan ?
We have the majority of shares at this club or maybe we don't ??????
 
Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11

SilverFox2 said:
I wonder who made the decision to extend?
City have no power to dictate policy at other CFG owned clubs.

Maybe CFG is only used as a financial taxation device and the two clubs agreed the policy between themselves.
Alternatively perhaps they both put forward arguments and CFG made the decision.

Maybe our owner decided ?

We don't have power to dictate policy but NYCFC CEO Ferran Soriano does.
 
Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11

Prestwich_Blue said:
eversince 76 said:
The reality of the situation as you put it is that Lampard signed for NYCFC and was loaned to us. And now the loanperiod has ended, the club for which the player has actually signed wants the player back because he was supposed to be one of their major assets.
It seems that the reality is he signed a contract with CFG, not NYCFC. Therefore it was up to them to decide, in consultation with MCFC & NYCFC, what happened.

well i think that's how the US media and some particulat UK journos are putting it that NYCFC MCFC and lampard himself lied about the situation....

Read below the AP Story

Lampard NY deal creates credibility issue for MLS, new team
By ROB HARRIS
Jan. 5, 2015 8:27 AM EST

LONDON (AP) — Major League Soccer expected the alliance between Manchester City and the New York Yankees to "elevate the league to new heights."

MLS Commissioner Don Garber's forecast at the 2013 launch now seems extremely optimistic and premature.

Any lift to MLS' domestic standing or global credibility is being eroded by the uncertainty and lack of clarity over the status of New York City FC midfielder Frank Lampard and his prolonged stay in England.

More than five months after Lampard was paraded in Manhattan, the 36-year-old midfielder is integral to the City squad — the one in England. And when the MLS expansion franchise plays its first competitive game in March, the former Chelsea star will be on the other side of the Atlantic helping City defend its Premier League title.

Just when the new team is trying to gain fans' trust and loyalty, they are revolting. Without even a result to complain about yet, some supporters want season ticket refunds.

How did it come to this? It depends on who you listen to.

NYCFC'S website seemed clear on July 24: "New York City FC signs Frank Lampard to a Designated Player contract ... a two-year contract which starts August 1st." Fans of a team without 11 players were urged to buy Lampard jerseys and tickets for the 2015 season.

Lampard then went on the YES Network — part owned by the New York Yankees, an NYCFC minority owner — to stress he joined MLS because he couldn't play against Chelsea after 13 years in west London.

"I didn't want to play anywhere else in England because I had been so affiliated with one club," Lampard said on July 27. "So it made sense for me to move."

By Aug. 6, it didn't. City confirmed what had been anticipated, tweeting: "FRANK LAMPARD: Midfielder joins #mcfc on loan."

Later in England, Lampard explained the move: "I got the call to come back here."

MLS now says that Lampard was in fact was signed last July by City Football Group, the umbrella company for the portfolio of clubs owned by Sheikh Mansour in Manchester, Melbourne and New York, to play in MLS in 2015 and 2016. The intention, MLS confirmed, was always for Lampard join up with Man City until the end of 2014 before joining NYCFC, although he was expected back by the start of 2015.

"He was scheduled to train with the (Manchester) team and possibly play in some matches that would help him prepare for the start of the New York City FC season," Garber said Sunday in an MLS statement to The Associated Press.

Although City described Lampard's arrival as a "loan" on Aug. 6, that online announcement has been removed and the term "loan" not used by the club again, although Lampard has referenced "loan" in media interviews.

City has not responded to detailed questions about Lampard's contractual status. But deep in City's 2013-14 accounts is a declaration that the "football registrations ... acquired" since May 31 was Lampard's.

Announcing Lampard would not be returning for the MLS season opener, City said on Dec. 31 that Lampard's "contract" had been extended.

It's an uncomfortable situation for MLS. Lampard stretching out his career in England beyond his planned farewell shows that the Premier League outranks NYCFC's debut for the Abu Dhabi ownership.

"When he initially joined Manchester City, none of us envisioned Frank would play such a prominent role in the club's season," Garber said.

But with seven goals, Lampard has defied his years by showing he can still cut it at the highest level. Now Lampard is staying at City until May, and his MLS career is due to finally start halfway through the regular season in July.

"This is an extremely unusual set of circumstances, as Frank has become a one of the most important players in Manchester City's season — scoring critical goals to put them in a tie for first place in the Premier League," Garber said.

But it has created an American backlash, highlighted by the responses to NYCFC tweeting Lampard's latest City goal on Jan. 1. Even NYCFC's website, in newly-posted comments below the July signing announcement, includes accusations fans were misled.

Alexis Lalas, the former Los Angeles player turned Fox Sports commentator, characterized Lampard's prolonged stay in Manchester as: "The mother ship has spoken."

Cynics have suggested that the establishment of a portfolio of clubs is a mechanism to help City comply with UEFA Financial Fair Play rules (which the club denies). Originally intended to curb debt, FFP instead targets losses and restricts even wealthy owners like Sheikh Mansour from unrestricted investment in European clubs, thus City's need to show it is generating cash.

But MLS embraces the injection of wealth from Abu Dhabi.

"I have had numerous discussions with ownership," Garber said. "New York City FC is working hard at signing additional players for the club's inaugural season."

But Lampard's contractual confusion validates perceptions that MLS is where stars to go into semi-retirement for a final pay day.

Steven Gerrard is leaving Liverpool for MLS later this year because the 34-year-old captain is no longer guaranteed playing time.

Only when players like Gerrard and Lampard come to the U.S. in their prime — and resist the chance to jump back to Europe — will MLS have come of age.
 
Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11

American here, and you're probably thinking "great, not another one", but I hope I can add something to the conversation. I support my local "2nd division" team (in USL-PRO league), but I watch and follow MLS in general because I want to support its growth and some of the teams I find very entertaining to watch.

So much of this could have been avoided if the clubs were honest with everyone (fans from MCFC & NYCFC/MLS) from the beginning about the real terms of Frank's contract. Based on the comments that I am reading online & social media, people would have had no problem with the clubs announcing that Frank was signing directly with MCFC short-term before coming to NYCFC instead of claiming that it was a loan. (Even the MLS commissioner doesn't know why the clubs made the loan claims.) It makes it hard for people to believe anything that has been said by the clubs once they have been so blatantly lied to. Of course, if Frank was joining up with NYCFC on time and none of this slipped out, we wouldn't be the wiser... but now that it has happened, there is some serious trust rebuilding that must take place. I am hearing on twitter that season ticket holders are being called by NYCFC customer service reps to discuss their concerns and to reassure them that the club will be "taking full advantage of the transfer window."

That's a good start, but IMO, representatives from the clubs should be coming out and publicly apologizing for their handling of the situation. Also, it would be great if Frank could come out and say something.... anything. He must realize that this whole situation does not make him look good to New York (and American) soccer fans.
 
Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11

twenty15 said:
American here, and you're probably thinking "great, not another one", but I hope I can add something to the conversation. I support my local "2nd division" team (in USL-PRO league), but I watch and follow MLS in general because I want to support its growth and some of the teams I find very entertaining to watch.

So much of this could have been avoided if the clubs were honest with everyone (fans from MCFC & NYCFC/MLS) from the beginning about the real terms of Frank's contract. Based on the comments that I am reading online & social media, people would have had no problem with the clubs announcing that Frank was signing directly with MCFC short-term before coming to NYCFC instead of claiming that it was a loan. (Even the MLS commissioner doesn't know why the clubs made the loan claims.) It makes it hard for people to believe anything that has been said by the clubs once they have been so blatantly lied to. Of course, if Frank was joining up with NYCFC on time and none of this slipped out, we wouldn't be the wiser... but now that it has happened, there is some serious trust rebuilding that must take place. I am hearing on twitter that season ticket holders are being called by NYCFC customer service reps to discuss their concerns and to reassure them that the club will be "taking full advantage of the transfer window."

That's a good start, but IMO, representatives from the clubs should be coming out and publicly apologizing for their handling of the situation. Also, it would be great if Frank could come out and say something.... anything. He must realize that this whole situation does not make him look good to New York (and American) soccer fans.

Unfortunately you didn't. The representatives from MCFC don't owe you a single thing and certainly not an apology.

At no point did NYCFC claim Lampard would be there for the first game.

At no point did NYCFC register, or attempt to register, Lampard as a player.

Read the small print next time Chuck.
 
Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11

Damocles said:
Unfortunately you didn't. The representatives from MCFC don't owe you a single thing and certainly not an apology.

At no point did NYCFC claim Lampard would be there for the first game.

At no point did NYCFC register, or attempt to register, Lampard as a player.

Read the small print next time Chuck.

Absolutely correct - Lampard was MCFC's player until his short term contract expired and he's MCFC's player now because he resigned. But I worry the appearance damages the CFG brand.

Don't get me wrong, I couldn't care less about NYCFC, but whoever at CFG decided to announce it as a signing for NYCFC and a loan to City -- rather than the truth, a MCFC signing -- needs to give their head a wobble.

That said I've heard from MLS watchers that the league is run poorly and they wouldn't be surprised if the league wanted to do things that way to get attention and make it look like a marquee signing. And now the chief of MLS is trying to cast blame over towards MCFC...... hmm......
 
Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11

Damocles said:
At no point did NYCFC claim Lampard would be there for the first game.

Pretty sure they did.
 

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