Player topic: Yaya Toure 2014/15 (continued)

[robbieh]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya is a fantastic player, probably the single most important player in City's history in terms of his impact on the trophies we have won in the last 5 years, the most successful period in the club's history.

What has happened to him, similar to Kompany is that they have been hung out to dry by Pellegrini's hopeless team selections.


If you play our 3 best players, Yaya, Silva and Kun then you need to provide the team with some solidity. Milner, Fernandinho and probably Navas provide that. But often Pellegrini puts Nasri and an extra striker in. No wonder Yaya seems a liability, and the back four is exposed.

As I said the problem is not Yaya, it's Manuel.

 

[mosssideblue]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Ditto. I said most, not all but even if you say 3-4 years my point still stands. The reality is that the club are simply not going to let every single player be around for 4-5 years without supplementing with some younger blood, however, I see no reason why some of our player in the late twenties wont have 4-5 years top flight football left in them.

Kompany 29, Silva 29, Zaba 30, Fernandinho 29 Why shouldn't they play in the top flight until 34 ? In the same way Frank Lampard did at Chelsea until 35 and Terry is still doing for Chelsea at 34 coming up to 35 this year andplaying out of his skin (plus getting a new contract) ?

If you take the rags when they won the premier league a first 11 of:

De Gea 23, Rafael 23, Evra 32, Ferdinand 34, Vidic 31, Valencia 27, Van Persie 29, Rooney 27, Carrick 31, Giggs 39, Scholes, 38 that won the league by nine points - that team had an average age of 30.3. That included Evra, Ferdinand, Giggs, Scholes that were over 34 years of age. I have worked out that what I consider to be our best 11 today that has an average age of 27.3

That's not to say we shouldn't be considering the future but the idea we have no time to evolve the team is ridiculous and that our team is over the hill is frankly ridiculous.

You haven't addressed my pushback on Yaya, so should I assume you agree. The remainder of your post suggests you are far from reality.

No, I completely disagree with what you said about Yaya but no point debating someone over their 'opinion'

instead, I presented you with facts that dispel the notion that our players are anywhere near 'over the hill' which you have simply chosen to ignore, rather, I think it is you who is 'far from reality'

The facts you presented were for different players in a different team. Because one player can play on to 38 doesn't mean every player can.

Yaya does have a year or two left at a high level, but his attitude towards the whole City enterprise is why I want shot of him. If your arguing he should stay on what he used to give City, then if he was still delivering that, there would be very few negative posts in this topic and we would all want him to stay. He has shown no signs of that this season, and many have lost patience with him. Many have quoted the ACON as a reason for his performances this season, but that would be a physical decline not mental. I also hold him responsible for some others poor performances this season.

Regarding Vinnie and Zab, they are still good players, but not the players they were - they are on a decline which, whilst they might be able to perform at a reasonable level for 4 or 5 years as you suggest, it wouldn't be at the level we would require.

Kun and Merlin are more difficult to assess, so I will remain on the fence with those two.

Age creeps up on us all including the players that formed the spine of our team over the last few seasons. They cannot maintain the levels they used to play at indefinitely, which is why I called you as being out of touch, as clearly you still think they will, whilst all the evidence suggests otherwise.

Anyway, lets kick some red arse tomorrow with our star players playing to their best.

 

[fatbloke]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya Toure makes 0.4 tackles and 0.8 interceptions on average per game in the Champions League.

In comparison
Fernandinho = 3.9 and 2
Fernando = 1.6 and 2.8
Silva = 1.3 and 1.2
Milner = 2.0 and 0.3
Lampard = 1.0 and 1.3
Navas = 0.9 and 0.9
Nasri = 0.8 and 0.5

So essentially Yaya is the least likely of any of our midfielders of winning the ball back, yet some on this forum continue to defend his attitude.

 

[mosssideblue]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

slightly off topic but seeing as some City fans seem to think 32 constitutes over the hill,

Just looked at the Barca team of:
Bravo 31, Pique 28, Mascherano 30, Alba 26, Alves 31, Busquets 26, Iniesta 30, Rakatic 27, Neymar 23, Messi 27, Suarez 28 - Average age of 27.9

This team of MCFC
Hart 27, Kompany 29, Mangala 24, Clichy 29, Zaba 30, Ferna 29, Toure 31, Nasri 27, Milner 29, Aguero 26, Bony 26 - Yes you guessed it Average age 27.9

So if we've got a problem with age looks like Barca have too.

Its nonsense comparing players of the same age. One 30 year old player might play nothing like another of the same age. Injury record, league, number of games played per year et al, are all valid reasons why you cannot say because this team has an average age of x, City are still ok because our average age is the same.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya Toure makes 0.4 tackles and 0.8 interceptions on average per game in the Champions League.

In comparison
Fernandinho = 3.9 and 2
Fernando = 1.6 and 2.8
Silva = 1.3 and 1.2
Milner = 2.0 and 0.3
Lampard = 1.0 and 1.3
Navas = 0.9 and 0.9
Nasri = 0.8 and 0.5

So essentially Yaya is the least likely of any of our midfielders of winning the ball back, yet some on this forum continue to defend his attitude.

Yeah, give me Fernando any day, He is so good I can't understand why he doesn't start every game.

 

[Juan King]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya Toure makes 0.4 tackles and 0.8 interceptions on average per game in the Champions League.

In comparison
Fernandinho = 3.9 and 2
Fernando = 1.6 and 2.8
Silva = 1.3 and 1.2
Milner = 2.0 and 0.3
Lampard = 1.0 and 1.3
Navas = 0.9 and 0.9
Nasri = 0.8 and 0.5

So essentially Yaya is the least likely of any of our midfielders of winning the ball back, yet some on this forum continue to defend his attitude.

What a load of shite. This is like playing top trumps & picking his worst stat & then saying that sums him up. Try looking at how many crucial goals that he has scored to either win critical games or to stop us losing, since he joined in all comps, no just CL. Also the same for assists & killer passes. He is one of the best ever City players & if you can't see that then I feel sorry for you.

 

[richards30]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Will be a weird and sad feeling when he goes but progression is required and yaya has lost the heart for the club. Still a legend though and has been THE major catalyst to our success since he signed. Dragged us at times to wins in games and his goals against the rags in the semi and stoke in the final won us our first major trophy for over 30 years! Been a privilege to have seen a talent like him at his prime.

 

[waspish]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya Toure makes 0.4 tackles and 0.8 interceptions on average per game in the Champions League.

In comparison
Fernandinho = 3.9 and 2
Fernando = 1.6 and 2.8
Silva = 1.3 and 1.2
Milner = 2.0 and 0.3
Lampard = 1.0 and 1.3
Navas = 0.9 and 0.9
Nasri = 0.8 and 0.5

So essentially Yaya is the least likely of any of our midfielders of winning the ball back, yet some on this forum continue to defend his attitude.

You've been watching Yaya since he came here you should know of the ball he has always been very poor, its what he does on the ball why he is one of the first names on the team sheet...

 

[Sergi0 Na5r1]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya Toure makes 0.4 tackles and 0.8 interceptions on average per game in the Champions League.

In comparison
Fernandinho = 3.9 and 2
Fernando = 1.6 and 2.8
Silva = 1.3 and 1.2
Milner = 2.0 and 0.3
Lampard = 1.0 and 1.3
Navas = 0.9 and 0.9
Nasri = 0.8 and 0.5

So essentially Yaya is the least likely of any of our midfielders of winning the ball back, yet some on this forum continue to defend his attitude.

That just supports what's been mentioned many times. He's not defensive anymore, he should be playing attacking MF if anything. We need a quality central midfielder paired with Dinho and so far that's not Fernando.

 

[sky tot]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya Toure makes 0.4 tackles and 0.8 interceptions on average per game in the Champions League.

In comparison
Fernandinho = 3.9 and 2
Fernando = 1.6 and 2.8
Silva = 1.3 and 1.2
Milner = 2.0 and 0.3
Lampard = 1.0 and 1.3
Navas = 0.9 and 0.9
Nasri = 0.8 and 0.5

So essentially Yaya is the least likely of any of our midfielders of winning the ball back, yet some on this forum continue to defend his attitude.

What a shite post . Any stats on passes and assists . Nah don't bother a use my eyes and make my judgement ..