Player topic: Yaya Toure 2014/15 (continued)

[Dax777]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

slightly off topic but seeing as some City fans seem to think 32 constitutes over the hill,

Just looked at the Barca team of:
Bravo 31, Pique 28, Mascherano 30, Alba 26, Alves 31, Busquets 26, Iniesta 30, Rakatic 27, Neymar 23, Messi 27, Suarez 28 - Average age of 27.9

This team of MCFC
Hart 27, Kompany 29, Mangala 24, Clichy 29, Zaba 30, Ferna 29, Toure 31, Nasri 27, Milner 29, Aguero 26, Bony 26 - Yes you guessed it Average age 27.9

So if we've got a problem with age looks like Barca have too.

1. They have a guy called Messi, who covers a lot of wart.
2. Their older players are showing their age just like ours: Xavi, Iniesta, Alves. Especially Alves, he is half the player he was a mere 2 years ago.

Age is an issue even for the best teams. Injuries are longer, getting back to their best takes longer, and they generally player slower, and poorer. It is worse for some than others. But it is bad for ALL!

 

[Dax777]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya is a fantastic player, probably the single most important player in City's history in terms of his impact on the trophies we have won in the last 5 years, the most successful period in the club's history.

What has happened to him, similar to Kompany is that they have been hung out to dry by Pellegrini's hopeless team selections.


If you play our 3 best players, Yaya, Silva and Kun then you need to provide the team with some solidity. Milner, Fernandinho and probably Navas provide that. But often Pellegrini puts Nasri and an extra striker in. No wonder Yaya seems a liability, and the back four is exposed.

As I said the problem is not Yaya, it's Manuel.

Wrong. Yaya of 2 years ago or 3 years ago, will succeed even under Pelegrini's supposed bad scheme. He is just not as good as he once was. Blaming everyone else for that is a bit naive.

Sometimes players simply decline.

 

[Dax777]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Will be a weird and sad feeling when he goes but progression is required and yaya has lost the heart for the club. Still a legend though and has been THE major catalyst to our success since he signed. Dragged us at times to wins in games and his goals against the rags in the semi and stoke in the final won us our first major trophy for over 30 years! Been a privilege to have seen a talent like him at his prime.

I disagree. I think he has lost the legs. :( Age affects different players differently. The way Yaya plays, age was always going to severely limit his signature runs.

 

[fatbloke]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya Toure makes 0.4 tackles and 0.8 interceptions on average per game in the Champions League.

In comparison
Fernandinho = 3.9 and 2
Fernando = 1.6 and 2.8
Silva = 1.3 and 1.2
Milner = 2.0 and 0.3
Lampard = 1.0 and 1.3
Navas = 0.9 and 0.9
Nasri = 0.8 and 0.5

So essentially Yaya is the least likely of any of our midfielders of winning the ball back, yet some on this forum continue to defend his attitude.

What a shite post . Any stats on passes and assists . Nah don't bother a use my eyes and make my judgement ..

The stats on his goals, assists or passes are irrelevant because there's not one person in the 328 pages on this thread that has ever questioned his ability, if they have they need locking up.

However if you take a balanced view of what people are actually disputing which is his effectiveness and effort off the ball, these stats are relevant.

If David Silva, Frank Lampard and Samir Nasri are contributing more defensively than you, you surely have to recognise you have a problem. People are saying we should accommodate Yaya by playing him in an attacking midfield role but Silva has scored more, assisted more, intercepted more and tackled more so that's not really an option is it? Unless Yaya is willing to get a few splinters in his lazy arse.

 

[sky tot]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya is a fantastic player, probably the single most important player in City's history in terms of his impact on the trophies we have won in the last 5 years, the most successful period in the club's history.

What has happened to him, similar to Kompany is that they have been hung out to dry by Pellegrini's hopeless team selections.


If you play our 3 best players, Yaya, Silva and Kun then you need to provide the team with some solidity. Milner, Fernandinho and probably Navas provide that. But often Pellegrini puts Nasri and an extra striker in. No wonder Yaya seems a liability, and the back four is exposed.

As I said the problem is not Yaya, it's Manuel.

Wrong. Yaya of 2 years ago or 3 years ago, will succeed even under Pelegrini's supposed bad scheme. He is just not as good as he once was. Blaming everyone else for that is a bit naive.

Sometimes players simply decline.

Seems like all our players have declined under pellegrini.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya is a fantastic player, probably the single most important player in City's history in terms of his impact on the trophies we have won in the last 5 years, the most successful period in the club's history.

What has happened to him, similar to Kompany is that they have been hung out to dry by Pellegrini's hopeless team selections.


If you play our 3 best players, Yaya, Silva and Kun then you need to provide the team with some solidity. Milner, Fernandinho and probably Navas provide that. But often Pellegrini puts Nasri and an extra striker in. No wonder Yaya seems a liability, and the back four is exposed.

As I said the problem is not Yaya, it's Manuel.

Wrong. Yaya of 2 years ago or 3 years ago, will succeed even under Pelegrini's supposed bad scheme. He is just not as good as he once was. Blaming everyone else for that is a bit naive.

Sometimes players simply decline.

Seems like all our players have declined under pellegrini.

We seem to have a lot of players that suffer from post euphoric stress disorder. The same shit we had after Mancinis' legendary title winning season.

 

[blueplan]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya is not only the one (David, Aguero et al) that finds it difficult to score against our opponents who parked their buses. Why?

When our GK who doesn't make the critical saves allows our opponents to score (with the minimal chances or shots on target) and thereby enabled them to entrench their parked buses making it more difficult for our players to penetrate their fortified defense.

To wit @ Selhurst park. 2 goals that can be attributed to mistakes by Hart. That led to situation as per above.
Even then Yaya was able to score. Kudos to Yaya.

Yaya has been faulted for not making his bursting trademark run to score. How can he against an entrenched Defense?

Yaya is not the problem.

 

[grim up north]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya is not only the one (David, Aguero et al) that finds it difficult to score against our opponents who parked their buses. Why?

When our GK who doesn't make the critical saves allows our opponents to score (with the minimal chances or shots on target) and thereby enabled them to entrench their parked buses making it more difficult for our players to penetrate their fortified defense.

To wit @ Selhurst park. 2 goals that can be attributed to mistakes by Hart. That led to situation as per above.
Even then Yaya was able to score. Kudos to Yaya.

Yaya has been faulted for not making his bursting trademark run to score. How can he against an entrenched Defense?

Yaya is not the problem.

Yawn

 

[mosssideblue]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya is not only the one (David, Aguero et al) that finds it difficult to score against our opponents who parked their buses. Why?

When our GK who doesn't make the critical saves allows our opponents to score (with the minimal chances or shots on target) and thereby enabled them to entrench their parked buses making it more difficult for our players to penetrate their fortified defense.

To wit @ Selhurst park. 2 goals that can be attributed to mistakes by Hart. That led to situation as per above.
Even then Yaya was able to score. Kudos to Yaya.

Yaya has been faulted for not making his bursting trademark run to score. How can he against an entrenched Defense?

Yaya is not the problem.

Sorry mate but you come out with some bollocks.

 

[blueinsa]

Re: Player topic: Yaya Toure (2014/15)

Yaya is not only the one (David, Aguero et al) that finds it difficult to score against our opponents who parked their buses. Why?

When our GK who doesn't make the critical saves allows our opponents to score (with the minimal chances or shots on target) and thereby enabled them to entrench their parked buses making it more difficult for our players to penetrate their fortified defense.

To wit @ Selhurst park. 2 goals that can be attributed to mistakes by Hart. That led to situation as per above.
Even then Yaya was able to score. Kudos to Yaya.

Yaya has been faulted for not making his bursting trademark run to score. How can he against an entrenched Defense?

Yaya is not the problem.

Sorry mate but you come out with some bollocks.

Kun will hit the woodwork and yup, you guessed it, Harts fault.

This idiot is a wum.