Players season ratings

Shaelumstash said:
Completely agree mate.

He's the kind of player that it's very easy to see the good aspects of his game - goals and assists.

But the bad parts of his game - going missing, not getting on the ball, not getting in to space, not covering defensively, you don't notice if you are just a casual fan watching on TV or whatever.
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When kevin goes missing, he really goes missing, he can be world class one game and not pass it 5 yards the next. Needs to sort that out, but i think he will be ok
 
Shaelumstash said:
Totally agree mate. One of the problems we've had this season is that with the 4231 shape we play, whoever is in the number 10 position has to completely run the game for us. The ball always goes through them, they dictate the way we play, knit the team together. It's no coincidence that when Silva was on his best form in the first 5 games, we got the best performances as a team.

When Silva's form dropped, so did that of the team. When DeBruyne has played there we've looked sensational on the break at times, his early balls and directness can be devastating for teams that are allowing space in behind them. The problem comes when a team is sat deep allowing no space behind, DeBruyne's attributes become completely redundant. I know he played the majority of the game in Madrid from wide, but the emphasis was still on him to get on the ball and dictate play. He wasn't interested.

Although he's had a poor season, we missed Silva in the Madrid game more than any other. There was no one on the pitch interested in getting on the ball, showing feet and looking to get at Madrid. Even at his worst, Silva always takes that responsibility to give an option, get on the ball, dictate play. But against Madrid we had absolutely no one even trying to get on the ball in advanced areas. DeBruyne followed up that performance against Arsenal, he hid, went missing.

I've seen many people claiming DeBruyne will be our "playmaker" for the next 5 years. Against footballing teams that leave space in behind, he will be near enough unstoppable. Be against tough, resilient teams who sit back? I just don't see it.
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For me it's a fitness issue with De Bruyne. He seems to me to be a player that has to actively conserve energy otherwise he can't make it through 90 minutes. And that's just not good enough. He needs to lose some body fat, imo and really work hard on his stamina and general fitness. Pep will demand that everyone is 100% 'at it' all game, but I currently don't see how De Bruyne can do that. Like many in our squad, he has poor fitness for a professional athlete.
 
balotelli's back pocket said:
When kevin goes missing, he really goes missing, he can be world class one game and not pass it 5 yards the next. Needs to sort that out, but i think he will be ok
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He's an incredible talent mate, I'm sure he'll be absolutely fine. The strange one for me though is that Guardiola believes in possession above everything else and that's the weakest part of DeBruyne's game. Pep believes in high work rate and defensive discipline when out of possession and against that's a real weakness of DeBruyne's. Strangest of all is that DeBruyne is at his absolute best when playing on the counter attack, and Guardiola never plays that way.

KDB has outstanding ability so I'm sure he can still be a huge success for years to come, but I he's going to have to alter his game to be a success under Pep.
 
Tricky_Trev said:
For me it's a fitness issue with De Bruyne. He seems to me to be a player that has to actively conserve energy otherwise he can't make it through 90 minutes. And that's just not good enough. He needs to lose some body fat, imo and really work hard on his stamina and general fitness. Pep will demand that everyone is 100% 'at it' all game, but I currently don't see how De Bruyne can do that. Like many in our squad, he has poor fitness for a professional athlete.
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I've seen a few people mention DeBruyne's fitness mate, I'll have to be totally honest and say I haven't noticed, but I guess there must be something in it with so many people saying it.

Personally I think it seems he sulks when he's not playing as a number 10 with absolutely no defensive responsibilities. He reminds me of the really skillful players with an attitude problem when you were a kid. Give them the ball and they can be brilliant. Ask them to put in a shift for the team and they'll spit their dummy out.
 
Hart 7.5 Regressing slower than most of Mancini's side
Willy 5 First he was shite, now he's all right
Zabba 5 Shows flashes of the same gutsy attitude but far less of the capability
Sagna 7 Our best defender, for what it's worth, a keeper
Otamendi 6 Blows hot and cold, sometimes in the same game
Mangala 4 Just blows. A giant white flag of surrender flown before the opponents when his name is attached to the team sheet
Kompany 6.5 Brilliant but becoming a liability
Clichy 6.5 Eh, not bad, not great but not disastrous either
Kolarov 4 Looks like he doesn't care, isn't a particularly good player anyway
Fernando 7 Big improvement all round, a few blunders aside has been rock solid
Fernandinho 8.5 One of our best players this year, if not the best
Yaya 4 Barely moves anymore, time for him to go
Nasri 6 Injuries etc, but obviously there's still some talent there
Navas 7 Runs and runs, full of creativity let down by an inept final ball
Sterling 5 Had low expectations but he's still the biggest disappointment of the year
Delph 4 Not good enough to play for any country, let alone England
KDB 8 When he's on, he looks a league above everyone else. Best stats for the year too
Iheanacho 7.5 Amazing introduction, but starting to get a touch greedy
Aguero 8 Still the best raw striker in the league
Bony 2 Looks lost out there. Somehow worse than useless. Needs to move on and find himself again
 
Shaelumstash said:
He's an incredible talent mate, I'm sure he'll be absolutely fine. The strange one for me though is that Guardiola believes in possession above everything else and that's the weakest part of DeBruyne's game. Pep believes in high work rate and defensive discipline when out of possession and against that's a real weakness of DeBruyne's. Strangest of all is that DeBruyne is at his absolute best when playing on the counter attack, and Guardiola never plays that way.

KDB has outstanding ability so I'm sure he can still be a huge success for years to come, but I he's going to have to alter his game to be a success under Pep.
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I think a lot of this is true, which is why the prospect of Pep working with KDB on improving is so exciting...
 
Hart 6

Zaba 4
Sagna 8
Vinnie 6
Otamendi 7 (most underrated)
Mangala 6
Demi 4
Clichy 7
Kolarov 4

Yaya 3
Delph 5
Fernando 8 (most improved)
Fernandinho 8
Navas 6
Nasri 7 (when fit)
Silva 6
Sterling 6 (sort of unfairly hated by fans)
Kdb 8 (poty, just)

Nacho 8
Aguero 8
Bony 2


I think Sagna, Clichy, Fernando and Fernandinho's professionalism stands out in a season where so many threw in the towel or had a strop.

Best player of the Pelle era = Fernandinho. Should be as much a legend as Zab, Vinnie, Yaya, Silva and Aguero.
 
Nacho's low ratings from Whoscored stem from his sub appearances

The defender ratings there are for the most part horseshit too
 
oakiecokie said:
Another fucker who must be pissed if you think that Fernandinho was only worth a 6 or less.Can I sincerely hope that you seek medical help !!!
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Said it a million times on here, he's a good player but he has caused us problems in big games with brainless pressing and bad positioning. Maybe a 6 is harsh and a 7 is more apt. No way an 8 like some have said though.

Sorry if that upsets people.
 
ono said:
Said it a million times on here, he's a good player but he has caused us problems in big games with brainless pressing and bad positioning. Maybe a 6 is harsh and a 7 is more apt. No way an 8 like some have said though.

Sorry if that upsets people.
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You must be fishing or you don't watch many games
 
Kdb has gone missing a few times this season but what I will say in his defence it seems to be when the whole team has and he gets no service! If we would have had a modric this season kdb and aguero would have scored and contributed a lot more!
 
nktakm said:
Nacho's low ratings from Whoscored stem from his sub appearances

The defender ratings there are for the most part horseshit too
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Really? Then how do you explain Bony getting a rating of 6.32 in Sunday's game for about 15 mins appearance time as compared to Nacho's 6.18 for 70 minutes?

And why are the defender ratings horseshit? Can you actually give a meaningful reason? Do you know what they measure to get to those ratings?
 
OB1 said:
Don't know if anyone else has copied these in as I have note read every page but these are the ratings from whoscored.com and show some interesting divergence from the what people see. I would rank things differently based on my observations but I think these give a fairer indication of actual contribution than most of the contributions that I have bothered to read.

WhoScored.com Ratings are based on a unique, comprehensive statistical algorithm, calculated live during the game. There are over 200 raw statistics included in the calculation of a player'’s/team’'s rating, weighted according to their influence within the game. Every event of importance is taken into account, with a positive or negative effect on ratings weighted in relation to its area on the pitch and its outcome.

Nicolás Otamendi 7.50

Kevin De Bruyne 7.45

Sergio Agüero 7.40

Vincent Kompany 7.28

David Silva 7.28

Gaël Clichy 7.26

Yaya Touré 7.26

Fernandinho 7.18

Aleksandar Kolarov 7.14

Bacary Sagna 7.13

Pablo Zabaleta 6.97

Fernando 6.95

Eliaquim Mangala 6.91

Jesús Navas 6.87

Raheem Sterling 6.78

Willy Caballero 6.76

Fabian Delph 6.75

Joe Hart 6.73

Samir Nasri 6.72

Martín Demichelis 6.64

Wilfried Bony 6.62

Kelechi Iheanacho6.53
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Kolorav higher than Sagna, Yaya and Silva's rankings look like they've included last season, Nacho as our worst rated player, Dinho as a middle of pack performer. HAL from 2001 had better decision-making algorithms.
 
SkyBlueTX said:
Kolorav higher than Sagna, Yaya and Silva's rankings look like they've included last season, Nacho as our worst rated player, Dinho as a middle of pack performer. HAL from 2001 had better decision-making algorithms.
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No measure is perfect or can be.

Very few people are going to think the algorithm is any good if it gives results that they personally do not agree with but at least it is a consistent, comprehensive measure of performance.

The fact that it is comprehensive is why Nacho ranks such a low score: aside from having scored a few goals, and being very clinical in that regard, he has made very little contribution in any other way. So the whoscored ranking may underestimate the importance of his contribution this season but it also highlights just how much the kid needs to develop his game.

I like Dinho a lot but he does not actually influence games enough in an offensive sense, he has never demonstrated that he can run a game in the way that Yaya or Silva can, even when they are fading.
 
good thread, couldnt wait to see some of ratings..

Then i see KDB getting critisized, aguero some say 7 and Otamendi given 5 !!!

The 3 above players have performed very good with the effortless players around them that have made them look poor.

So the above three all get 8 out of ten, joe hart deserves at least 7 and half for performance but a 10 for all round effort and attitude.

Kelechi, fantsatic. He might not quite be an 8 out of ten but surprise star of the season without a doubt.

Bottom of the pile with 2 out of 10 bony and Sterling can have 5 only because he started well otherwise he wouldnt be far off bony !

Rest of team hover round 4 to 6
 
Hart 9 - world class again
Caballero 4 - would have been worse if not for the final
Zabaleta 6 - injuries hampered season
Sagna 7 - steady defensively, doesn't add much to the attack though
Demichelis 2 - finished
Otamendi 5 - couple of good games but dives in too much and poor distribution
Mangala 6 - few dodgy games
Kompany 6 - class when fit but not enough games
Clichy 8 - great season again and keeps Cuntarov out
Cuntarov -100 - ****, despise him
Navas 7 - frustrating last ball but look better with him in the side
Fernando 6 - started shite again, but finished season strongly
Fernandinho 9 - player of the season
Toure 6 - not as bad as people make out but best days behind him now
Nasri 5 - looked decent, but injured too much
Silva 6 - started well but ended like a complete different player, sad to see
Sterling 4 - scoring a hat-trick saved him from a lower mark, mainly shite though
Delph 6 - looked good when not shoved out on the wing
De Bruyne 8 - nice to have another world class player, needs to be better away though
Iheanacho 8 - looked good whenever picked
Aguero 8 - had better seasons but still scored all the goals
Bony 2 - wrong player in the wrong team
 
Hart 8/10 saved our bacon as much as the Donut thief in some games
Willy 4/10 all 4 points for that penalty shoot out
Sagna 7/10 miles better than the dross he served up last year
Zabaleta 5/10 makes me sad to think how he looks knackered
Kompany 6/10 great when he's played, not much though
Otamendi 6/10 Argentinian Nicky Reid
Mangala 6/10 in and out no worse than the rest
Clichy 7/10 thank goodness
Kolarov 4/10 all 4 for his first 5 games, crap the rest
Fernando 6/10 improved a lot but still nothing special
Fernandinho 8/10 Immense at times
Yaya 5-10 see Zabaleta, occasional glimpse of magic
Silva 5/10 see Yaya & Zab, finished at Pl level ?
Navas 7/10 couldn't hot a barn door with a cows arse etc... But when he wasn't there we missed his energy
KDB 8/10 ok missing in a few games but goals assists ratio incredible
Kelechi 7/10 great talent disgracefully underused between Nov-Jan
Aguero 8/10 bit greedy at times but how can he rely on the shower around him
Bony 2/10 shocking, simply shocking
Delph 5/10 injury prone, played out of position, out of his depth?
Nasri 6/10 hardly played looked good when he did
Sterling 5/10 started well, faded incredibly, turned into Buster Phillips
Demichelis 2/10 effectively retired in August
Celina 6/10 should have had more opportunities
 
messi scored just 9 goals in his first season at barca.
ronaldo scored 9 goals as well in his first season at barca. all at age 19.
at age 19 and in his first season nacho has has scored 13 goals for us and mostly from the bench. what else do we want from this young lad dat costs us absolute nothing..each time he plays,the expectation is high and we want him to play like some 100 million pound player. for fuks sake this guy is stil in the development stage of his career and any undue pressure might ruin him.
obviously there are flaws in his game but, with REGULAR playing time and proper GUIDANCE he will become THE FINISHED ARTICLE
i'll rate him a 10/10. he can only get better
 
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