Political relations between UK-EU

Saddleworth2 said:
Will it really? What makes you think we will be better off in 20 years time in a world dominated by massive trading blocks and globalisation? Where do you see these opportunities? I just see gradual decline in our economy and standard of living. If England continues to vote in Governments like this one, I see a far worse outcome than that.
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I’ve always thought so, that’s why I’ve always been a Eurosceptic before the shite word “Brexit” was ever made up.

The EU isn’t just a trade block when you’re in it, all your laws have to fall inline with theirs if they diverge from them, whether it suits or benefits us as a country or not. I think that’s absolute fucking shit! It does us no good whatsoever.

The EU is in for some turmoil the rise of alternative opinion in Poland and Hungary, and the never ending recessions in Italy Spain and Greece, and we would have had to adopt the Euro eventually which (when you have those struggling counties in the Med) won’t have been good for us or them.

We can make trade and law decisions to suit us as a country, and us only, rather than the suit the EU as an entity.

Once we’ve done this for a few decades, I think we’ll be in a better position than we would have been able to be if we’d stayed with them.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I’ve always thought so, that’s why I’ve always been a Eurosceptic before the shite word “Brexit” was ever made up.

The EU isn’t just a trade block when you’re in it, all your laws have to fall inline with theirs if they diverge from them, whether it suits or benefits us as a country or not. I think that’s absolute fucking shit! It does us no good whatsoever.

The EU is in for some turmoil the rise of alternative opinion in Poland and Hungary, and the never ending recessions in Italy Spain and Greece, and we would have had to adopt the Euro eventually which (when you have those struggling counties in the Med) won’t have been good for us or them.

We can make trade and law decisions to suit us as a country, and us only, rather than the suit the EU as an entity.

Once we’ve done this for a few decades, I think we’ll be in a better position than we would have been able to be if we’d stayed with them.
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Sounds good.
Just one question. How many decades before you think we'll be in a better position?
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
I’ve always thought so, that’s why I’ve always been a Eurosceptic before the shite word “Brexit” was ever made up.

The EU isn’t just a trade block when you’re in it, all your laws have to fall inline with theirs if they diverge from them, whether it suits or benefits us as a country or not. I think that’s absolute fucking shit! It does us no good whatsoever.

The EU is in for some turmoil the rise of alternative opinion in Poland and Hungary, and the never ending recessions in Italy Spain and Greece, and we would have had to adopt the Euro eventually which (when you have those struggling counties in the Med) won’t have been good for us or them.

We can make trade and law decisions to suit us as a country, and us only, rather than the suit the EU as an entity.

Once we’ve done this for a few decades, I think we’ll be in a better position than we would have been able to be if we’d stayed with them.
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A few fucking decades....? Yikes..!
 
mcfc1632 said:
Ha - pmsl

Utterly pathetic and inept response - that confirms that you have no skills/experience/capability at analysis and managing change programmes

Mind you - it is no surprise that when the challenge required more than bollocks, bluster and tedious repetition............

@Saddleworth2

Seriously, please step up to the plate/challenge and demonstrate that there is such capability amongst the PKARs
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I’m not sure what you want me to say. You know I believe that Brexit could have been implemented better and some but by no means the majority of the negative consequences we are seeing just now might have been eased. No amount of good pm would have got rid of many of the additional costs though, it is a direct result of leaving the SM.

You will have to do better than simply abuse Bob to present a winning argument, in fact your insults could as easily describe your own response to him.

I don’t know what PKARs are? Neither am I clear what your challenge to me is.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
The EU isn’t just a trade block when you’re in it, all your laws have to fall inline with theirs if they diverge from them, whether it suits or benefits us as a country or not.
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That just isn’t true, we have many different laws and rules to other eu countries, hell we even have different laws and rules within the UK between Scotland, England and Wales. And of course Northern Ireland had different rules but now their different rules include a border from the rest of Britain.
If you mean rules around trade, well any trade deal we do with any bigger block including the eu will mean agreement on their rules.
 
BobKowalski said:
Agreed. Recognising where we are, and what the deal entails for businesses is the first step in mitigating what issues can be mitigated or at least putting systems in place that assist businesses that are handicapped by the lack of seamless access.

The first and most sensible step would have been agreeing this deal in year one and having a transition deal in place for year two while we tried to work out what barriers were now in place and how much resource was needed to navigate these barriers.

We gave it six days during a pandemic. A decision I note that the ‘systems guru‘ fully supported.

We should have also identified which issues are a feature of Brexit and those that are a result of mismanagement and lack of time as the latter is exacerbating the former.
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You are clearly unable to comment on this subject of planning and management - as that incoherent babbling demonstrates

I did expect more from @Saddleworth2 though

But - if this is all that Remainers can muster it just proves my thoughts in this area to be correct - no matter what denial you collectively try and hide behind.

Just in case there are still any Leave supporters bothering with the thread....

I can confirm that - with regards the issues that have manifested so far in the fishing industry - planning for their mitigation and achieving a smooth cutover would have indeed been very straightforward.

All it needed was for the decision to be made early enough - in 2016/2017 - and given the resources, commitment and authority - but that required a government to have been in place that was committed to Brexit - including coming out of the SM and CU

What we had was the hapless May/Hammond/Robbins combo of Remainers

So - it is indeed true that Leavers have a lot more reason to be fucked off with the UK government than Remainers

It is also true - as I have accurately pointed out for years - that the Remainers May/Hammond/Robbins - did so much damage to the UK

So - Leavers can afford to watch as Bob and his merry band seek to delight in issues that arise that negatively impact the UK - in the knowledge that the damage resulting is clearly the fault of the UK being led by Remainers during 2016-2019.

I am not surprised most of the Leavers choose to give the thread a swerve
 
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