Political relations between UK-EU

[mexico1970]

The EU does not set non EU immigration policy or earning requirements for its members states

However, EU rules do cover the following areas for workers from all non‑EU countries:

• non-EU nationals who are long-term residents in the EU
• the right to family reunification
• admission for non-EU researchers
• admission for students, exchange pupils, unpaid training or voluntary service
• the rights of highly-skilled workers from outside the EU (EU blue card scheme)
• simplified entry procedures and rights for all non-EU migrant workers
• conditions of entry and residence of seasonal workers from non-EU countries
• conditions of entry and residence of non-EU nationals in the framework of an intra-corporate transfer.

Abiding by these rules if you are a member state isn't optional is it? If you are part of the EU then you have to comply, effectively the EU do make policies regarding non EU immigration.

 

[mcfc1632]

No it doesn't. But that's the plan. It's in the Five Presidents documents and one of the key ways to make the Euro work properly.

European Commission

European Commission - Policies, information and services

ec.europa.eu

The ECB will tell each country how much to raise (but not how to raise it). They'll also tell them them how much they can spend, but not necessarily how to spend it.

That key document - 2015 was it? Set it all out

TBF to the EU - they are not hiding their plans

Over the years I have referred to this document a few times and people avoid the inconvenient truths therein - hiding behind ..... but we have opt outs etc.

Simply unaware of how that was a very temporary cover - soon to disappear

 

[WRicko]

That's way too simplistic (or wrong) about the CAP.

"Pillar 1 payments are direct income support payments to farmers. To remove any incentive to overproduce, payment (known in England as the Basic Payment Scheme) is based on the amount of land a farmer owns, not how much they produce. This money comes direct from the EU and is administered by national governments (Defra for farmers in England, the devolved administrations for Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland). In order to qualify for payment, farmers have to meet certain standards on environmental management, animal welfare standards and traceability – these conditions are known as ‘cross-compliance’. Member states can also apply market support measures in certain conditions – the UK has used this to support dairy farmers when prices have been particularly low.

"Pillar 2 requires co-financing from member state governments. The EU describes the purposes of this as:

• fostering the competitiveness of agriculture
• ensuring the sustainable management of natural resources
• combating climate change
• achieving a balanced territorial development of rural economies and communities including the creation and maintenance of employment."

Whereas we are now going to pay farmers for vague environmenatal benefits, and make them sit down with a "trusted agronomist" to advise them (as if most farmers don't already know how soil works). What we're not going to do is subsidise food prices. Enjoy the price rises.

Sounds like the best system will be either very prescriptive or open to abuse have you helped the environment yes here is money

 

[Vic]

The girl I work with, who is a very good friend, is Bulgarian. My extended family has property there and I go over there.

There is a genuine concern for these countries who are seeing their talent leave them.

For example, the girl I work with, whilst admitting she’s obviously contributed to the issue, has said she’s worried about the country over the next few years if that trend continues.

We were looking for a database administrator in Sofia and I was gobsmacked at how few there was coming up in the search. She says to me, “they’re all in London!”

So they're not all depressing wages by working in Pret.

 

[mcfc1632]

Our deal is a million miles from the Common Market and significantly worse than that of what was the Common Market

The Common Market was the Customs Union the begging of Single Market We have left both and it also included The Common Agricultural Policy and Common Fishing Policy though u might argue they could be or should be separate they where certainly less important and liked. All these areas where actually improved over the years Customs Union did more trade deals Single Market expanded Common Agricultural Policy was improved gone are the grain mountains etc Fish stocks have increased gone is discard etc Yet people say they supporter the Common Market but not the EU madness especially when we had opt outs of the so much people worried about

Sorry

Politely - let's just say that I hold a different view - opts outs would soon be irrelevant

And I am absolutely sure that I am right - same as you no doubt are

 

[mcfc1632]

Your economics is flawed Free movement is a net benefit to the UK I don’t think you realize how intelligent hardworking or well paid the average EU citizen in the UK is

Let's just agree that people can respect you holding your views

You should allow others to hold theirs - no?

 

[GH64]

We were signed up to the Treaty of Rome by Heath.... three lines in (IIRC) there is a commitment to closer political union.

We ratified it by referendum under Wilsons Government (Labour realised it was a constitutional error not having had a referendum as we were giving up 'sovereignty' )

50 years later we're still denying we signed up to it.

From the original 1957 treaty - doesn't mention "political"

"DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of Europe"

Worth reading it, it is only 80 pages long, they are a lot more wordy these days

 

[Ban-jani]

So they're not all depressing wages by working in Pret.

Did I ever say they were?

 

[ganganvince]

Nicely framed. We are not ending free movement from the EU. We are ending our right to free movement. The only Europeans losing the right to free movement are the British. Everyone else still has it.

At least get the question right.

Don't get your point tbh free movement of EU nationals into UK has ceased it is a dead parrot

 

[WRicko]

Purely a population reason.

It might not be the immigrants buying on greenfield sites but If they buy in city centres and there’s a lack of housing there, it’ll need to spill out into the countryside and suddenly we’ll be forced to build on more and more greenfield sites.

It’s purely a numbers game imo and that’s one reason why I’m against FoM generally speaking.

But your assuming that free movement results in too many people

And who decides what is too many and on what basis