Political relations between UK-EU

BobKowalski said:
I agree there was no intent to deceive, but contracts were signed, 300m shots were promised by end of Jan, and here we are at the end of Jan with vaccine authorisation granted, and no shots to hand over.

Leaving the contract issue aside, the problem for AZ is they are a heavily regulated company operating in a heavily regulated sector and they are pissing off the people doing the regulating.

I also don’t think AZ signing a contract stipulating other contracts won’t impact their obligations is a wise move if their defence is the regulators should have known about the UK contract stipulations because it was mentioned in the press, therefore it’s the regulators fault for not doing a Google search.
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IF the EU had decided not to approve the vaccine (surely a possibility as it took them until a couple of hours ago To decide to do so) would everyone currently defending their attempt to cost British lives due to their own ineptitude, insist that they went ahead and purchased them anyway?

Or would they have been happy to see AZ take the hit.

The EU did not preplan, did not show faith, did not appear to have a contingency, and instead appears to wish to rely on the age old adage of “He who stomps his feet the loudest”.

I don’t think they have factored in to their calculations that they are not dealing with a supplicant Britain anymore.

Inept. incompetent. Immoral.

We are out of it now, thanks to me and millions like me.

You’re welcome.
 
Del_Bosque said:
The EU didn’t pay for any increase in capacity at UK sites did they?

The deal with the UK was signed long before and at the time of signing with UK they were planning on having 30 million doses stockpiled for the UK by Sept.

The EU sites were where the money was used from the advanced purchase agreement
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To all intensive purposes, yes they did.
 
blueish swede said:
We don't know that, do we? The EU gave 130M (I think) to AZ to improve and increase their production. If some of that money went to the UK then the EU can expect to see the benefit.
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And they will, once the contract we signed 3 months earlier is fulfilled. Why the hell should we suffer because they have tied themselves up in so much red tape whilst we just got on and got something done quickly for once?
 
meltonblue said:
Their argument will be it’s not their cock up though, it’s AZ’s. It’ll also be pressure due to their vaccine rollout being so shit and potentially being pissed off with us depending on what clauses we put in our contract given what the AZ CEO said. AZ really should have just explicitly said they’re still fulfilling the initial order for the U.K, wouldn’t have helped them with the EU but might not have created some of the shitstorm it has.
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I agree, but AZ aren’t an elected representative body in charge of governing large swathes of Europe, they’re a private company that we can choose to use their services or not, so my anger isn’t directed at them, whereas the EU threatening my state out of, what seems to be emotion (I didn’t agree with the AZ CEO saying this but there is some truth), makes me annoyed and it’s seemingly pissing off those on the island of Ireland too.
 
Ban-jani said:
What’s funny is the lack of objectivity from some that never expected the EU to behave in this manner.

I was one of them, the EU is the best major power on the planet, when you compare them to the US, China, Russia etc. they stand alone in terms of ethics and fairness.

It’s why I wanted to remain and be apart of that.

This however, is them at their very worst and I can only put it down to the current leadership.

It’s not like them at all, it really isn’t.

This isn’t a storm in a teacup, as much as we all want it to be, they’re now moving to stop exports on the island of Ireland, it’s an act of aggression and isn’t in spirit of the GFA.

I genuinely thought it would be our government to pull something like this.
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I agree, at least it was when it had the right intentions. I clearly believe we were very influential in steering that influence for a time, but they stopped listening to us. It was their Europe, not our Europe.

Now we're seeing an example of them without our influence to guide them. It's not pretty.
 
Vic said:
So did the EU...
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At the outset the UK invested in vaccine creation. The EU invested the majority of its money into COVID treatment rather than prevention where it invested significantly less - not criticising that decision but worth noting.

They have since vaccines appeared to offer good protection absolutely invested money in production to their credit
 
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