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Political relations between UK-EU
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I know that this question was for @Rascal - but my two pennyworth - I was OK with the trading bloc - it was the very obvious drive to achieve comprehensive integration through 'incremental treaties' that set me fully against the EU from the early 90sSerious question for you. I know you're profoundly anti-EU and were against our membership. Did that always apply? Were you ok with it being just a trading bloc prior to the various treaties that furthered political integration or was it always something you were opposed to?
The Future’s Blue!
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It’s going to be a little different, isn’t it.
Not sure if you ever read the various football forums we have on here, but we start new threads for most players/clubs every season, and they invariably reference prior seasons too. Hope this helps.When you started the thread and gave it its title - I assumed that it was intended by you to be about:
Political relations between UK-EU
Which suggests that now that the UK has left the EU - how should the relationships between the 2 parties develop - is that not what you intended?
If I had it right - then posters bringing the discussion back to, as examples:
- Past immigration controls
- Stabilisation of Iraq
- 1905 Aliens act
- Development of brownfield land
- Outside interference in Libya
Might be off-topic - no?
I was assuming that you wanted a thread about the future - rather than the past - afterall we have now definitely left the EU and, whilst the past is of interest - surely the key focus should be the future?
As I say, I was just trying to help - apols if I misunderstood what you were seeking
Interesting - why is that?im dreading a NEXIT on the cards. Prob a topic for diff thread.
This is probably the only thread that would cover that subject
I have a great number of personal attachments to Holland - lived there for a few years (Voorburg/Rijswijk/Scheveningen - years that I consider to be amongst the best of my life) and thought that Holland was way beyond any doubts about EU membership
That said last time I visited - when CITY played Ajax - I took a week out to retrace old stomping grounds and was really disappointed to see that the pristine areas that I remembered seemed a little 'unkempt'
I have had Holland in my mind when considering the issue of debt mutualisation in the near future - I can see Holland copping for a particularly unfair burden
I have and do indeed monitor and read all the forums - and I certainly participate a hell of a lot more than a number of other posters that you see almost exclusively on the political threadsNot sure if you ever read the various football forums we have on here, but we start new threads for most players/clubs every season, and they invariably reference prior seasons too. Hope this helps.
But, TBF, you would never see me on the matchday threads - for obvious reasons - and on the pre-match threads my posts were generally about where the fans are meeting up for a beer
You will have seen me mainly on the transfer forum and the Stadium development threads - and of course the CAS thread.
But anyway - back on topic - it seems that I have indeed missed your intention when starting the thread - so - apols - my bad
I will wind my neck in and stop trying to help
Why reply to me with it then?
Some are saying they're against FoM because it's a brain drain for poorer countries, others have maintained that FoM depresses wages in low-paid jobs. You seemed to be making the first point, so I was having a go at those who take the other view. It was a reply to your post - it wasn't arguing with your point. If I wanted to do that, I'd have argued that these "poorer countries" are all still trying to join the EU despite knowing some of their citizens will take advantage of FoM (leaving others in their own country to skill up).
A brain drain, an increase in pressure on infrastructure and public services, housing crisis, a short sharp change in culture that not a human on the planet wants to happen in their society and environmental issues...are what you could as my problems with FoM as policy.Some are saying they're against FoM because it's a brain drain for poorer countries, others have maintained that FoM depresses wages in low-paid jobs. You seemed to be making the first point, so I was having a go at those who take the other view. It was a reply to your post - it wasn't arguing with your point. If I wanted to do that, I'd have argued that these "poorer countries" are all still trying to join the EU despite knowing some of their citizens will take advantage of FoM (leaving others in their own country to skill up).
Ive never subscribed to the wages argument, although I now know you’re not accusing me of that.
I am in favour of immigration though, in a controlled and selected manner (selected meaning types of skills coming into the country).
MaineDAWG2008
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Interesting - why is that?
This is probably the only thread that would cover that subject
I have a great number of personal attachments to Holland - lived there for a few years (Voorburg/Rijswijk/Scheveningen - years that I consider to be amongst the best of my life) and thought that Holland was way beyond any doubts about EU membership
That said last time I visited - when CITY played Ajax - I took a week out to retrace old stomping grounds and was really disappointed to see that the pristine areas that I remembered seemed a little 'unkempt'
I have had Holland in my mind when considering the issue of debt mutualisation in the near future - I can see Holland copping for a particularly unfair burden
Yeh its drastically changed. Esp those places u have mentioned.
Even so with Rotterdam. The last time I came to visit this place was back in 2009, lets just say it wasn't a pretty place. Now the crowd seems to be more different, more working folks, and the low income families so to speak have forced to move more south of the bridge (cheaper hoods). However, local govt are investing heavily to improve certain neighbourhoods and have done a fab job.
Anyhow that aside, house prices are at its peak. The housing market is crazy. And this is down to migration of people coming from all corners of EU. Plenty spanish, italians, brits, even the latin folks have shifted to NL. And with that, there is a low supply of properties but huge demand. Prices have rocketed for this reason. And to be honest, the growing population is a concern for some. Its increasing at a rapid pace, more towns and cities are overcrowded than before. Banks are handing out mortgages easily, even at 100% (no deposit required). Madness.
My concern, with NEXIT, what will it mean the Euro currency? Going back to Guilders might bring the value of properties down? What will it mean for the country in terms of trading seeing NL has been considered a trading country for years. Dutch banks survive? Prices of products? Basically the same concerns when Brexit came about, but with more severe consequences i think seeing that we still use the Euro currency.
Having spoken to one or two locals, none want it out of fear for the above but at the same time are fearing the worse now that UK has left.
Prestwich_Blue
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You should also perhaps point out that they generally descend into anarchy! ;-)Not sure if you ever read the various football forums we have on here, but we start new threads for most players/clubs every season, and they invariably reference prior seasons too. Hope this helps.