Political relations between UK-EU

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BobKowalski said:
“I have Captain Obvious on line one...”

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Now now - it has been obvious that a good number of people have never understood the value of the scope of the 'fishing topic' in support of the UK's negotiations throughout the last year - so I can understand some feel a further need to 'scrape the (increasingly smelly fishing) barrel'

But I am moving on and looking to the future - which, with regards the fishing industry, relates to:

a) The here and now - the contribution to the deal that has been secured due to squeezing the EU's dependency

b) The now and future - the increased scope for our fishing fleet and the freedom for our government to invest in the industry over the coming years

and

c) The future - we get the chance to prepare to squeeze that lemon (sole?) all over again in a few years
 
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Ancient Citizen said:
Fascinating, keep 'em coming mate.
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I hold out hope that some will be less obviously just desperate and largely irrelevant attempts that take some effort to bat off ;-)

Actually - that is not true - I hope that they remain exactly at the same level.

That means that there continues to be little of substance as regards downsides for the UK, for which we should all be grateful - and responding kills time whilst the 7,000 lorries are preparing to converge on Kent (I am running for cover then)
 
mcfc1632 said:
Now now - it has been obvious that a good number of people have never understood the value of the scope of the 'fishing topic' throughout the last year - so I can understand there is a further need to scrape the barrel'

But I am moving on and looking to the future - which, with regards the fishing industry, relates to:

a) The here and now - the contribution to the deal that has been secured due to squeezing the EU's dependency

b) The now and future - the increased scope for our fishing fleet and the freedom for our government to invest in the industry over the coming years

and

c) The future - we get the chance to prepare to squeeze that lemon (sole?) all over again in a few years
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Especially, UK fishermen...honestly, too funny.

Well, not for UK fishing obviously, but then the silly twats did vote for Brexit.
 
BobKowalski said:
Just did, check out the post below yours...
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I did, and he's saying what we already know, the current cod stocks are 84%
caught by the French, and that we haven't got the infrastructure to expand
our share. This now is being addressed, and the fleet is to be built up, their percentage is reduced by 25% over 5 years, we then control 66%, far, far more
than the present.
And no way on god's earth is that bloke a leave voter, his first words were the '£350 mill on the side of a bus' which has been the cry of remainers for 5 years.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I did, and he's saying what we already know, the current cod stocks are 84%
caught by the French, and that we haven't got the infrastructure to expand
our share. This now is being addressed, and the fleet is to be built up, their percentage is reduced by 25% over 5 years, we then control 66%, far, far more
than the present.
And no way on god's earth is that bloke a leave voter, his first words were the '£350 mill on the side of a bus' which has been the cry of remainers for 5 years.
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Just going through your maths....84% caught by the French, reduced by 25% over five years, UK then control 66%? Is that right? Doesn’t seem right? Is this Brexit maths? Are there unicorns?

Tell you what, how about you tackle the issues raised on lack of access to Norwegian waters or non tariff barriers to actually selling the catch. Real people with real issues, being raised today.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
The Irish should have done too, then maybe the Jocks wouldn't be stopping their boats.
That's funny.
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I have no idea why Brexiteers are getting excited over this. Is it because you think we will be sinking ships soon (try saying that fast)?

Enlighten me.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
I did, and he's saying what we already know, the current cod stocks are 84%
caught by the French, and that we haven't got the infrastructure to expand
our share. This now is being addressed, and the fleet is to be built up, their percentage is reduced by 25% over 5 years, we then control 66%, far, far more
than the present.
And no way on god's earth is that bloke a leave voter, his first words were the '£350 mill on the side of a bus' which has been the cry of remainers for 5 years.
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Built up by who, fleet building fairies? How many people are suddenly going to decide go into fishing to buy boats, to train skippers, equip and crew them to catch fish we can’t sell in to the EU.That people in the UK don’t eat ?
 
BobKowalski said:
Especially, UK fishermen...honestly, too funny.

Well, not for UK fishing obviously, but then the silly twats did vote for Brexit.
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Well - as you have been one of those that have demonstrated that lack of understanding....... although TBF to you I think that, given how obvious the facts of issue are, you feign that lack of understanding just to play games - others - not so.

And yes - I would say especially UK fishermen (although they are not all Leave supporters as you seek to suggest) - as would be obvious to anyone not playing games.

They have vested interests in 'solely' that specific sector - the UK have used that sector for the good of the UK's negotiations overall and not failed to look after that group as well

What is truly funny - well would be if you were being serious and not just playing silly games - is that:

You, Vic and others have spent years banging on about the limitations of the UK fishing fleet - that they have not the capacity to catch more quotas etc. In fact you seem to have exulted in pointing that out.

But now the UK has secured a deal that increases the current position significantly and allows for a period of investment in the industry and has a date in the future when we can take control of as much more as we wish - you turn 180 degrees.

Anyway, I post this information for others and not you - so that they can see through the nonsense.

As I say, you must be playing silly games where you are feigning a lack of understanding - I can understand why - there are so many posts full of utter confidence that have been exposed as......

But me, I am looking to the future - so I will leave you to your games and move on
 
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Ancient Citizen said:
I did, and he's saying what we already know, the current cod stocks are 84%
caught by the French, and that we haven't got the infrastructure to expand
our share. This now is being addressed, and the fleet is to be built up, their percentage is reduced by 25% over 5 years, we then control 66%, far, far more
than the present.
And no way on god's earth is that bloke a leave voter, his first words were the '£350 mill on the side of a bus' which has been the cry of remainers for 5 years.
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We must be careful not to get distracted by the very obvious and deliberate - well distractions.

I am going to try and not respond to the baiting and goading - there is an increasingly rosy future becoming apparent and we can afford to just be happy

TBF - we should show some understanding - they have spent years predicting with 100% confidence - what events will come to pass - and these are being/have been proven to be spectacularly wrong.

The options are limited - just accepting and being grateful as this is best for the UK would be an obvious one

Going full on in denial is another. I actually do not think that there is an attempt to persuade you, me or anyone that can read and assess the reality of January 2021

I think that it is both a mutual support narrative and an attempt for reality to be denied

We might have reacted the same - I like to think not - should the 7,000 lorry queues and empty shops materialised.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Well - as you have been one of those that have demonstrated that lack of understanding....... although TBF to you I think that, given how obvious the facts of issue are, you feign that lack of understanding just to play games - others - not so.

And yes - I would say especially UK fishermen - as would be obvious to anyone not playing games.

They have vested interests in 'solely' that specific sector - the UK have used that sector for the good of the UK's negotiations overall and not failed to look after that group as well

What is truly funny - well would be if you were being serious and not just playing silly games - is that:

You, Vic and others have spent years banging on about the limitations of the UK fishing fleet - that they have not the capacity to catch more quotas etc. In fact you seem to have exulted in pointing that out.

But now the UK has secured a deal that increases the current position significantly and allows for a period of investment in the industry and has a date in the future when we can take control of as much more as we wish - you turn 180 degrees.

Anyway, I post this information for others and not you - so that they can see through the nonsense.

As I say, you must be playing silly games where you are feigning a lack of understanding - I can understand why - there are so many posts full of utter confidence that have been exposed as......

But me, I am looking to the future - so I will leave you to your games and move on
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You probably need to tell the people who work in the fishing industry, especially the ones who no longer have a viable market for the fish they catch now. It might cheer them up to know that in 5 years we can have even more fish that we can't sell. 5 tons of fish we can't sell just leaves a bigger smell than 4 tons. But I wouldn't worry, they'll be out of business long before then unless we start eating much more mackerel. I don't know if you've tried mackerel in batter with chips but I suspect it's not great.
 
BobKowalski said:
“I have Captain Obvious on line one...”

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I assume the infrastructure wasn't there in 2016? He has watched zero expansion in the infrastructure since that time. So what did he expect?
Likewise I assume the paperwork and VAT of which he speaks he readily dismissed as Project Fear as he campaigned and voted Leave?
Zero fucks given here.
 
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