Political relations between UK-EU

Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Probably because we are nearly there and a lot of people are concerned.

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- Powerful and continuing nationalism - nope

- disdain for human rights - nope

- identification of enemies as unifying cause - definitely nope

- supremacy of military - have you seen the state of our military under Tory cuts lol?

- rampant sexism - nope

- controlled mass media - only sports journalists

- obsession with national security - considering they failed to even stop flights coming in during a pandemic hahaha

- religion and government intertwined - Christianity is anti fascist as an ideology, fascism may have come from a sub sect of radical right wing Catholics but it’s not fascist and anyway, religion is on a downward spiral unfortunately in the UK

- corporate power protect - this one there is a point but it’s due to the Tories being a pro corporate party not fascism

- Labour power suppressed - see above

Disdain for intellectuals and the arts - nope

obsession with crime and punishment - they’ve improved it, because it was weak as fuck and still is

Rampant cronyism and corruption - there is the hint of corruption yes but again, this is more to do with them being corporate pigs rather than fascists

- fraudulent elections - don’t even start suggesting this has happened in the UK, you’ll sound like Trump.

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Youve got half an argument with 3 out of 14.

This government is absolutely nowhere near fascist, it is totally delusional to think otherwise.

If you want to see fascism, look at what’s happening with the pathetic attempted coup over the pond.
 
BobKowalski said:
I would also add, witnessing the scenes in the US with the far right entering the Capitol building and the death of one person, that a far right Brexit supporter murdered an MP during the referendum. The English nationalism that has infected our body politic is a particularly nasty strain.
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Pmsl

Bob I can’t fault you for your efforts but fuck me you’re obsessed. Not healthy.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Overall the outcome of Brexit is completely and totally beyond my very best expectations pre-2016

When thinking back to how I was feeling in 2017-2019, as Remainer May shamefully fucked the UK over, then the outcome of December 2020 is absolutely off the fucking scale better than my best hopes, aspirations and dreams - I am totally and utterly delighted with where we are.

Now I know that you do not want me to feel this way - and I accept that you are not able to share the joy - but I am afraid that there is nothing that you can say or any straw that you can clutch that has the remotest chance of having even a miniscule impact on my happiness.

But - I am happy for you to try and I will respond in as positive manner as I can.

I would point out though, that the examples you have been giving about some fishing difficulties, or a few lorries having a problem, or.......

Do not seem to represent the scale of disaster that you and others have been predicting for years.

In summary - are these; somewhat isolated inconveniences a price worth paying for the achievement of getting the UK the fuck out of the EU - and on the road to becoming a genuinely independent state?

IMO - you bet they fucking are!!
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We are 3 working days into this ..... just 3 and today starting the 4th .... 2 in Scotland . Its already looking like a shit show
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Sounds so familiar...
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It does but we all know the solution, to the N. Ireland problem it was the solution you yourself advocated from the start, EEA/EFTA. I know many others didn’t, but think most of the public would have settled for it away from the extremes on both sides,but it would have solved the Britain / N.Ireland / Ireland border issues.
The extreme ERG / Express types were afforded far too much influence.
 
Ban-jani said:
- Powerful and continuing nationalism - nope

- disdain for human rights - nope

- identification of enemies as unifying cause - definitely nope

- supremacy of military - have you seen the state of our military under Tory cuts lol?

- rampant sexism - nope

- controlled mass media - only sports journalists

- obsession with national security - considering they failed to even stop flights coming in during a pandemic hahaha

- religion and government intertwined - Christianity is anti fascist as an ideology, fascism may have come from a sub sect of radical right wing Catholics but it’s not fascist and anyway, religion is on a downward spiral unfortunately in the UK

- corporate power protect - this one there is a point but it’s due to the Tories being a pro corporate party not fascism

- Labour power suppressed - see above

Disdain for intellectuals and the arts - nope

obsession with crime and punishment - they’ve improved it, because it was weak as fuck and still is

Rampant cronyism and corruption - there is the hint of corruption yes but again, this is more to do with them being corporate pigs rather than fascists

- fraudulent elections - don’t even start suggesting this has happened in the UK, you’ll sound like Trump.

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Youve got half an argument with 3 out of 14.

This government is absolutely nowhere near fascist, it is totally delusional to think otherwise.

If you want to see fascism, look at what’s happening with the pathetic attempted coup over the pond.
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Johnson is a clone of Trump, the bluster, the lies, the refusal to take responsibility, Patel is our version of Trump’s Stephen Miller. For four years the Govt, including under May, have been on their knees sucking Trump’s dick.

Biden himself views Johnson as a Trump like creature.

If we can see fascism across the pond, then we shouldn’t be blind to our own version.
 
BobKowalski said:
Johnson is a clone of Trump, the bluster, the lies, the refusal to take responsibility, Patel is our version of Trump’s Stephen Miller. For four years the Govt, including under May, have been on their knees sucking Trump’s dick.

Biden himself views Johnson as a Trump like creature.

If we can see fascism across the pond, then we shouldn’t be blind to our own version.
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Oh my word you lot are funny.

Johnson is a bad liar yes, look at his private life... but he’s absolutely nothing like Trump.

And the reason May was, not going to repeat your sexist phrase about a female leader, cosying up to America is because they are our greatest allies and the most powerful and committed NATO member.

What did you want, Corbyn telling America to get fucked ?

What do you think would have happened then?

Biden doesn’t know what day it is, he’s preferable to Trump because he’s not a big fat fascist. He doesn’t like Britain much and never has Biden.

If you think the UK government is fascist then you should pack up politics as you haven’t a clue what you’re on about.

Funny how you’ve not tackled the list yourself presented by fellow delusional @ificouldjust.
 
hilts said:
Yeah I’m laughing at that exact incident not your obsession.

Oh Bob is there any hope for you?
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Yeah, a single reference to an event that happened here four years ago and mirroring it with events in Washington yesterday is ‘an obsession’. Both were birthed by the same twisted nationalism, and fed with lies.

But then you were unable to grasp the NI issue, or even understand the problem, so your reaction is no surprise.
 
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