Political relations between UK-EU

[Saddleworth2]

Any potential market we trade with depends on how closely we align but it’s the UK’s decision to align or not, it’s not a rule or law we’re taking from a parliament in another country

yes...and the UK has chosen to mis align itself from its closest and biggest trading partner. What point are you trying to make?

Anyway, I can see this part of this website is a complete echo chamber and anyone who dares question anything, even if they didn’t vote leave, is hounded.

The funny thing is I haven’t even said Brexit was the right thing to do or a good idea and you’re all foaming at the mouth.

I suppose this is what the internet is like and I cannot be arsed wasting my time.

Top flounce. Kudos.

 

[west didsblue]

Name a single argument I’ve made in favour of Brexit

How about this?

Any potential market we trade with depends on how closely we align but it’s the UK’s decision to align or not, it’s not a rule or law we’re taking from a parliament in another country

Or maybe you were just saying that to provoke a discussion about a point you don’t agree with. A discussion that’s been had hundreds of times already in the run up to Brexit and is no longer relevant because we’ve left.

Now that’s strange.

 

[west didsblue]

I suspect its one of the old lot back flying under a flag of convenience

Cheese knob’s second account would be my guess.

 

[Rascal]

I understand people have concerns and Brexit has been handled badly by the Tories , but Brexit has put the Tories in a bind as well. One of the main reasons i came to the conclusion that leaving was the correct thing to do was I believe we had to break away from the Neo-Liberal orthodoxy of the EU, The Tories though are wedded to Neo-Liberal orthodoxy which is why they have made a dogs dinner of it. The EU had been moving increasingly in the direction of a social and economic model that prioritizes the imperatives of the market and of business profitability over the requirements of democratic equality and social solidarity. Democracy under capitalism is democracy to the extent that it corrects the outcomes of markets in an egalitarian direction. Economic liberalization disconnects democracy from the economy and that in itself explains why so many places that felt left behind voted to leave. They became disconnected from the Democratic process and felt powerless.

The EU concentrated on business and finance and never got around to organising an EU wide social model. That disenfranchised many people, they had no stake in the EU, if you have no stake in a system then that system is outside of your self interest.

We now have a chance to re-establish a social contract, Ironically it has taken a pandemic to show that it is possible to have a social contract and that there are in fact magic money trees, I hope the Left sees this and takes advantage for the good of the country, it has the chance now, will it take it, I am not so sure, because many people put the needs of capitalism before the needs of people. If you voted remain, that is you, you voted for the needs of capitalism, you voted against the needs of people and against the need for a renewal of a social contract. But hey Waitrose has no avocado's.

 

[Octavian]

yes...and the UK has chosen to mis align itself from its closest and biggest trading partner. What point are you trying to make?

Top flounce. Kudos.

Full of rude tossers on this page isn’t it.

I originally made the point that the Brexit argument should have been to sacrifice trade and the economy for more power transferred back from Brussels to London, that would have been the honest argument.

your weird mates jumped on that as a pro Brexit argument when it wasn’t.

You then claimed that us having to align with Brussels to trade with them is still us taking rules from there Parliament, I just said no it isn’t.

You see how conversations work when someone shifts the goalposts?

 

[west didsblue]

Full of rude tossers on this page isn’t it.

Why don't you fuck off then.
Bellend.

 

[Octavian]

How about this?

Or maybe you were just saying that to provoke a discussion about a point you don’t agree with. A discussion that’s been had hundreds of times already in the run up to Brexit and is no longer relevant because we’ve left.

Now that’s strange.

“Provoke” what sort of language is that? I was having a well mannered chat with someone until you lot jumped down my throat for not posting what you wanted.

How the fuck am I supposed to know what you’ve been discussing with other people?

If I’ve said something YOU have already discussed then be an adult and scroll past my post.

 

[Octavian]

Why don't you fuck off then.
Bellend.

Hahaha as if to prove my point

 

[ganganvince]

Full of rude tossers on this page isn’t it.

I originally made the point that the Brexit argument should have been to sacrifice trade and the economy for more power transferred back from Brussels to London, that would have been the honest argument.

your weird mates jumped on that as a pro Brexit argument when it wasn’t.

You then claimed that us having to align with Brussels to trade with them is still us taking rules from there Parliament, I just said no it isn’t.

You see how conversations work when someone shifts the goalposts?

Think you are right on the original arguments. Behind the misrepresentation there was a choice to carry on as we were or sacrifice on the financial front whilst controlling immigration it would appear that immigration is a big thing to the majority of Brits (that voted) although not on this forum hence the Victor Meldrew appreciation society are out in force.

 

[west didsblue]

Hahaha as if to prove my point

If you join a forum and within a fortnight you're calling people tossers, weirdos and oddballs what the fuck do you expect.