Political relations between UK-EU

[Octavian]

Do you not think there are ”fucking loons” in the US?

There’s loons everywhere pal. I don’t think it’s my business what they vote for and I wouldn’t call them loons for voting a certain way.

 

[Octavian]

Law of averages. Every country on the planet is the same, some just have more than others

I reckon on a global scale we’re probably less loon-like.

 

[metalblue]

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If you followed what was happening on the continent at the time it was clear, as was the Tory's position.
It was the feather in the remain cap for me.

I did, closely - right up until the Brexit vote and then largely stopped caring. Are you trying to rewrite history here?

TTIPs was alive and kicking when the Brexit referendum was given to us and there was no Trump being mr protectionist. EU leaders were still very much backing TTIPs before Brexit. It was only a couple of months later the wheels started to really fall off with senior ministers publicly talking about failure, but still their leaders backed it, eventually falling to Trump to sign its death certificate. It wasn’t the EU who said, fuck this it’s nonsense.

TTIPs had been mired in secrecy and demands for more transparency, court cases and so on. The EU tried their level best to push TTIPs upon us and went as far as saying we couldn’t stop laws being made in response to such criticism - they over reached and didn’t give a fuck, and the fact they even thought some parts of TTIPs were a good enough idea in the first place to write them down should put the fear of god into anyone. There was a strong desire to try and get TTIPs over the line by the end of Obama’s term in 2016 - however Brexit took the wind out of those particular sails given the UK accounted for 25% of US exports to the bloc. That’s not to say TTIPs wouldn’t have been “worth” doing or even possible with a remain vote, but it did hit the impetus and what happened next? Oh ministers coming out and saying it looks like it might fail.

The failure of TTIPs and Brexit severely damaged the EUs reputation globally. They won’t be caught like that again and have already this year made moves to remove member states ability to reject certain parts of trade agreements, and they are revisiting TIPPs although it’s called something else now… first port of call? Regulatory alignment… wasn’t that the whole furore around hormone in beef and chlorinated chicken? The EU need trade agreements for growth, and none come bigger than an EU-US agreement.

 

[Phil1]

I reckon on a global scale we’re probably less loon-like.

That's something a loon would say. :-)

 

[Octavian]

That's something a loon would say. :-)

All City fans are loons imo

 

[Phil1]

There’s loons everywhere pal. I don’t think it’s my business what they vote for and I wouldn’t call them loons for voting a certain way.

I suppose it depends on their reason for voting in a particular way? I've read some valid reasons put forward as to why people voted for Brexit and on the other end of the spectrum I've seen some fucking batshit crazy reasons for voting how they did.
So the result is the same but on the loony scale some definitely poll higher than others.

 

[blueparrot]

There’s loons everywhere pal. I don’t think it’s my business what they vote for and I wouldn’t call them loons for voting a certain way.

When we vote for a government that breaks and threatens to break signed agreements with a country, the people living in that country have every right to comment on those that voted for that governement.

 

[Octavian]

When we vote for a government that breaks and threatens to break signed agreements with a country, the people living in that country have every right to comment on those that voted for that governement.

We’ll have to agree to disagree there.

 

[west didsblue]

I know and if I went in there and called anyone fucking loons and called their politics garbage I’d be a nosy **** who needs to worry about the Uk

Every country in the world has its share of fucking loons, some more than others. We've managed to go one better than most countries and elected some of them to run the country. We're not unique though.

 

[Phil1]

We’ll have to agree to disagree there.

Wait, what?? How can you possibly disagree with what was posted? What's your justification in saying people directly affected by the British government, even if not living there, don't have a right to comment?