Political relations between UK-EU

[Dage]

Not strictly true. West Germany were able to take advantage of the Marshall Plan - let’s not forget also that West Germany’s infrastructure had been completely destroyed and, basically, had to plan everything from the ground up.

The Marshall plan was offered to all European countries and therefore also for the UK. Actually it was also offered to the east European countries. It wasn't actually a present either and helped the winning nations to create new markets for their overheated industrial complex due to the war industry.

 

[i kne albert davy]

That's a pretty one sided view EU imports into the UK fell by more, we made a loss trading with EU yet a profit trading with the rest of the World to which our exports slightly increased.

 

[i kne albert davy]

The UK had more money from the Marshall Plan than anyone else.
We chose to waste it on, among other things, playing at being a Great Power and paying down historic debt.

I wouldn't call the NHS and welfare state wasting it to be honest.

 

[BobKowalski]

That's a pretty one sided view EU imports into the UK fell by more, we made a loss trading with EU yet a profit trading with the rest of the World to which our exports slightly increased.

Please stop. We are a country. A country does not make a profit or loss on trade.

Companies in the UK import finished goods or parts to make finished goods that they they sell domestically or for further export. Imports down means trade is down and revenue is down. Reduced trade and reduced revenue means reduced work and/or reduced wages.

Look, we struck a very bad deal with the EU and they are happily fucking us. And yes, I find it funny that we are too thick to realise we are being fucked.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

I wouldn't call the NHS and welfare state wasting it to be honest.

Do other Western European countries that were recipients of Marshall Aid not have similar health and social security systems?

 

[peter.evans]

Please stop. We are a country. A country does not make a profit or loss on trade.

Companies in the UK import finished goods or parts to make finished goods that they they sell domestically or for further export. Imports down means trade is down and revenue is down. Reduced trade and reduced revenue means reduced work and/or reduced wages.

Look, we struck a very bad deal with the EU and they are happily fucking us. And yes, I find it funny that we are too thick to realise we are being fucked.

Not only that this is just a small part of our overall trade and we are looking at approx 30bn a year drop in exports to the eu which is disastrous !

 

[i kne albert davy]

Do other Western European countries that were recipients of Marshall Aid not have similar health and social security systems?

I dare say they have now, West Germany poured theirs into rebuilding their industrial capacity first I believe with a great deal of help from us as well by the way.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Please stop. We are a country. A country does not make a profit or loss on trade.

Companies in the UK import finished goods or parts to make finished goods that they they sell domestically or for further export. Imports down means trade is down and revenue is down. Reduced trade and reduced revenue means reduced work and/or reduced wages.

Look, we struck a very bad deal with the EU and they are happily fucking us. And yes, I find it funny that we are too thick to realise we are being fucked.

So what you're saying is posting export/ import figures is pretty pointless then.

 

[BobKowalski]

So what you're saying is posting export/ import figures is pretty pointless then.

No. The figures give you an idea of trade flows. I'm pointing out (1) that the only profit and loss balance sheets are run by the companies doing the exporting and importing. (2) It is all UK trade. Company A importing containers of novelty gifts for Xmas will look to shift the gifts at a profit. That is UK revenue that pays the wages for the UK staff selling the gifts, the warehouse staff storing the gifts and the haulage staff transporting it from the ports to the warehouse. Even goods we export may contain imported parts. For the UK as a country it is academic. It earns taxes on the revenue generated by the trade, be it import trade or export trade.

Our non EU trade is holding up because our companies face the same trade barriers they had before Brexit. To them there is no difference. Our EU trade is down around 15% because they face new trade barriers which makes exporting difficult or impossible. The trade that is continuing (usually larger companies) are absorbing the additional costs, but every UK company is at a disadvantage to its EU competitors because EU companies do not face these new barriers when trading within Europe.

All Brexit has done is hobble UK businesses. Or as the Johnson put it - ‘Fuck business’. So the Tories fucked it.

 

[i kne albert davy]

No. The figures give you an idea of trade flows. I'm pointing out (1) that the only profit and loss balance sheets are run by the companies doing the exporting and importing. (2) It is all UK trade. Company A importing containers of novelty gifts for Xmas will look to shift the gifts at a profit. That is UK revenue that pays the wages for the UK staff selling the gifts, the warehouse staff storing the gifts and the haulage staff transporting it from the ports to the warehouse. Even goods we export may contain imported parts. For the UK as a country it is academic. It earns taxes on the revenue generated by the trade, be it import trade or export trade.

Our non EU trade is holding up because our companies face the same trade barriers they had before Brexit. To them there is no difference. Our EU trade is down around 15% because they face new trade barriers which makes exporting difficult or impossible. The trade that is continuing (usually larger companies) are absorbing the additional costs, but every UK company is at a disadvantage to its EU competitors because EU companies do not face these new barriers when trading within Europe.

All Brexit has done is hobble UK businesses. Or as the Johnson put it - ‘Fuck business’. So the Tories fucked it.

Fortunately trade barriers can be lifted now, business is great at working around things when there's money to be made, if barriers have been put in place then others will be glad of the business no doubt. Our youth unemployment is rapidly falling which has got to be good news vacancies continue to rise which usually brings wage increases.