Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[Ban-jani]

I think irrespective of who is bringing up concerns re the GFA that hardly equates to them acting like children.

Come on, we need to stop beating around the bush and call both sides out in NI. It's 2017 and they can't even live together properly.

My mate who's a Belfast Republican is a good lad but the political stuff relating to NI he comes out with is embarrassing.

They need to grow the fuck up and realise their religion or political views isn't worth hurting or segregating other people over. And I mean both sides with that.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Apologies for the Facebook link but wanted to be quick.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...=a.2916888440154.2127322.1199013810&source=48

Many of those numbers are actually reductions if taking inflation into account. Even if NHS funding was up 10% in 7 years (it isn't) demand is growing by over 4% per year. That's always assuming you don't want to count drugs inflation. That has gone up by about 25% and is rising exponentially year on year. Total drugs bill currently is about £16B, likely to be £21B by 2022.
Also, you forgot to include debt in that list.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

so 39% of my hard-earned money being taken off me without spending a penny, sounds so appealing.

But that's what we are doing to graduates, so why not?

 

[worsleyweb]

Does it have mention of cranes on the skyline of cities throughout the UK? And how that makes everything hunky dory?
I'll read it later ww.
At the moment I'm just sickened by the seeming rush to defend to use our 'booming' economy as an argument that everything is great.
It isn't. It's all smoke and mirrors.
Tell those who died excruciating deaths in the Grenfell Tower they were living the dream.
I admit that I've never given those people, or anyone else living in similar, a thought before. They got on with their lives and I got on with mine, 250 miles apart in this particular instance.
However, I know (and always have) that this economy shite never filters down.
Rant over.
I'll read it later ww.

Please do. The tradgedy is just that. Incredible sad and I hope a full investigation is underway.

I will take your comment on cranes as a joke but cranes equate to jobs and new homes and investment. People who mock me should remember the hundreds of decent family man who were ringing me for jobs between 2007 and 2009 who were joiners and brickies and electricians and had no real means to support there families for those brutal years.

I am not saying things are great but they are not as bad as people are making out. My dad is a hero of mine and man born in collyhurst in the 30s - he laughs when he hears about austerity and toughness. Tells me he didn't have an inside bath until he was 15 and now sees kids with I phones at ten.

I firmly believe that we are on the right path with our economic policy. Sorry but I do.

 

[worsleyweb]

Many of those numbers are actually reductions if taking inflation into account. Even if NHS funding was up 10% in 7 years (it isn't) demand is growing by over 4% per year. That's always assuming you don't want to count drugs inflation. That has gone up by about 25% and is rising exponentially year on year. Total drugs bill currently is about £16B, likely to be £21B by 2022.
Also, you forgot to include debt in that list.

So what do we do? Just keep spending and taxing hard work and entrepreneurship? Proven to reduce tax receipts in multiple countries over many decades?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I paid mine back as I am sure others do.

may be a bit harsh and inequitable as we only want them to pay back their loans and notional interest.

I am all for free education at uni but it's doesn't seem to be the biggest priority at the moment in society, unless of course you needed a lot of people to vote for you in an election then I can understand why you might want to prioritise it,

Current students face 4% interest.
Not my idea of notional.

 

[blueinsa]

taxing hard work and entrepreneurship?

WTF is that supposed to mean?

You want a free ride or are you serious in thinking you're something special and should be treated differently to the rest of us?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Current students face 4% interest.
Not my idea of notional.

Sorry, I never knew it was as high as that. Notional is not the right word.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

But that's what we are doing to graduates, so why not?

well I paid £27 last month, which certainly ain't 9%.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

They went from being the government to being a minority government because, suddenly, people realised these tough choices you describe have actually been making it worse, not better.
As for bribing students, if indeed that's what happened, how is that any different to you voting for a party because they offer you tax cuts or offer pensioners a triple lock, free tv licences, free travel and winter fuel payments?
As for student loans, 9% they pay back, on all earnings over £21000. Maybe the government should just say everyone who ever went to university will pay 9% on everything they earn over £21000 (that pre not post tax)?

The student loan book has mostly been sold off so it won't be going into the public purse anyway.
They just can't get the latest tranche off the govt books because the figures of over 60% unlikely to ever pay it off and only 40% paying anything makes it all rather unattractive.