Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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Bigga said:
You think I'm a tub-thumper?!! Far from it!
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I know you're not mate. I've attended a lot of events and done a fair bit of campaigning during this run up and you're just a personification of a group of people, and I know that's unfair. I'm not angry at you, I'm just angry at people in the party who are treating this as a big win while we've failed to alleviate any of the suffering that we could have done if we fielded a candidate that could have won now. This isn't a footy team where we've got a youth academy. People are hurting and political involvement tends to be more accessible to the privileged who haven't been working 16 hour days to make ends meet. They don't have time to door knock or leaflets or hustings. It's our job to serve and represent their interests and being in power right now is the only way to do this.

I'm venting my frustration with many of the far left directly onto you which is bollocks I know
 
CitizenTID said:
"The plebeians didn't vote how we told them to, they are getting above their station and need putting down again"

Members of the public had one vote, like you, and couldn't predict a hung parliament you fuckin' spanner. Basically saying anyone who didn't vote for his party is wrong. They are the gentry vs. peasants party.
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Strong echoes of last year's Brexit bitters here. Same wine, different bottles. A little ironic really.

Both votes showed that taking Joe Public for granted doesn't go down very well.
 
Damocles said:
I know you're not mate. I've attended a lot of events and done a fair bit of campaigning during this run up and you're just a personification of a group of people, and I know that's unfair. I'm not angry at you, I'm just angry at people in the party who are treating this as a big win while we've failed to alleviate any of the suffering that we could have done if we fielded a candidate that could have won now. This isn't a footy team where we've got a youth academy. People are hurting and political involvement tends to be more accessible to the privileged who haven't been working 16 hour days to make ends meet. They don't have time to door knock or leaflets or hustings. It's our job to serve and represent their interests and being in power right now is the only way to do this.

I'm venting my frustration with many of the far left directly onto you which is bollocks I know
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I, humbly, accept your apology!

We want the same thing, we just differ on the means to get there. Nobody wants a guy that might, yes, pour millions into something that alleviates suffering, but not at the same time of causing suffering to millions of others.

We don't want another deal with the Devil.

The guy in the car in the YT speaks truth to power for a LOT of people.

Things have to change.
 
By the way, the way to end freedom of movement is NOT to end freedom of movement,
it's to get businesses to pay the capital infrastructure costs of providing accommodation, health and local services for each person they bring in from abroad. Thats an average of about 4 times the yearly PAYE and NI that the incomer pays. They may pay for themselves in the long term but the sheer volumes of newcomers that have arrived year-on-year mean our services struggle to cope. It will be cheaper to train locals to do the jobs rather than bringing folks in from abroad and it increases the skills of the locals to improved economic productivity.
Post Brexit we can enforce this but we can't do it pre Brexit.
 
First act of parliament? compulsary flute lessons in the new grammar schools and all citizens have to wear bowler hats.

More seriously, if the story that May was gonna ditch hammond amd some other front benchers if she got a majority, then I don't see how her cabinet can function long term
 
I completely misjudged this one so humble pie all round for my prediction! Corbyn obviously did a top job campaigning. I think after seeing that the Tories were 20 points up in the polls I gave up watching the news it was so depressing but hats off to him and the campaign team.

May has backed herself in a one horse race and managed to fall. She won't be here much longer. The knives are out already.

The youth vote and power of social media will have the Tories shitting themselves. Some of their majorities have been hammered and many of labours increased dramatically. Incredible really.

I guess they will try to limp on with this arrangement until the boundaries change which I believe is in around 18m time and is set to favour them apparently.
 
If you are Tory & agree with a coalition to stay in power. How can you be OK with siding with Unionist terrorists after basing your campaign on calling Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser? No shame whatsoever if you agree with this.

I would have said the same if Labour had joined with Sinn Fein! Fucking despicable!
 
May is quite rightly getting it in the neck but the Tory campaign strategy, for which she can't be held fully responsible, was utter shite.

Write a manifesto that attacks your core vote then refuse to reassure that core vote by not showing up for debates and barely defending your held seats.

Instead they spent most of their time campaigning in very safe Labour seats with high majorities that are highly unlikely to turn blue.

In contrast, I was sceptical of Corbyn's many visits to very safe Labour areas to get the massive crowds. His use of that support through social media had been fantastic and resulted in an unprecedented youth turnout. Fair play.
 
Juan King said:
If you are Tory & agree with a coalition to stay in power. How can you be OK with siding with Unionist terrorists after basing your campaign on calling Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser? No shame whatsoever if you agree with this.

I would have said the same if Labour had joined with Sinn Fein! Fucking despicable!
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Derrr, because Corbyn did it to open up a dialogue with a view to ending years of bloodshed. The Tory party have done it to save face and hold on to power.
 
How much did they have to pay this Tory MP to go on Question Time? She's the one who should be getting this grilling. Instead she buried her head in the sand and is hiding in number 10.
 
I'm just playing devils advocate here as I'm a lib dem voter rather than a labour one.

In terms of the end result, I completely agree that ultimately, it's a loss and regardless of how smug some
of the left feel, that won't alleviate the real life struggles of people and the potential consequence is the conservatives having to cosy up to a party that makes UKIP look like the class of Glee.

However, if there was to be an election later on this year, is there not an argument that full support from the PLP from the onset and a change in the rhetoric against Corbyn by the press (given that tactic didn't work) might be enough to get him over the line?
 
Damocles said:
I know you're not mate. I've attended a lot of events and done a fair bit of campaigning during this run up and you're just a personification of a group of people, and I know that's unfair. I'm not angry at you, I'm just angry at people in the party who are treating this as a big win while we've failed to alleviate any of the suffering that we could have done if we fielded a candidate that could have won now. This isn't a footy team where we've got a youth academy. People are hurting and political involvement tends to be more accessible to the privileged who haven't been working 16 hour days to make ends meet. They don't have time to door knock or leaflets or hustings. It's our job to serve and represent their interests and being in power right now is the only way to do this.

I'm venting my frustration with many of the far left directly onto you which is bollocks I know
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Good points - believe it or not I would even vote labour if they were more centre ground. Very difficult for them to win as they have lurched that far to the left.
 
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